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[zan]

Apples and pears justifies stealing. Reminds me of an old documentary on British TV about criminals when a career thief said he felt no guilt for stealing property which people left at the mercy of a thief.

It was the victim's fault all along.

I will ask again....Did you read what Deniz wrote about the feeling towards GC property for years by TCs???? How long are we to wait for Tpaps trickery to end??????? In my youth I bought a stolen car stereo from a dodgy man who happened to be a GC.....When my car got broken into and it was stolen again I thought of it as justice and never bought another stolen item again. You steal our rights and then hold us ransom for 40 years and expect to get back what you stole....nice!!!!!

[Nikitas]

Zan, cut the crap.

I can trace my family roots back to the 12 century in our village in the Morphou area. So where was stealing involved from TCs when the family wants its land back?

The people moved to the village from Polis feel the same way about their land. They want it back, they do not want to be in the Morpou region, but they are not given a choice by the TRNC and the Turks. They detest mainlanders so much that they demolish houses to prevent settlers being moved there.

[Kikapu]

Apples and pears justifies stealing. Reminds me of an old documentary on British TV about criminals when a career thief said he felt no guilt for stealing property which people left at the mercy of a thief.

It was the victim's fault all along.

I will ask again....Did you read what Deniz wrote about the feeling towards GC property for years by TCs???? How long are we to wait for Tpaps trickery to end??????? In my youth I bought a stolen car stereo from a dodgy man who happened to be a GC.....When my car got broken into and it was stolen again I thought of it as justice and never bought another stolen item again. You steal our rights and then hold us ransom for 40 years and expect to get back what you stole....nice!!!!!

I'm sure your favourite book of all time must be "Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves", Zan.!!

Let see. You said, and I'm paraphrasing it, that "since the GC's said OXI to AP, then it is OK to steal their property".!!

Really.??

So Zan, was stealing GC property also in disguised amongst 9000+ pages in the 2004 Annan Plan if it was voted down, much like disguised partition was, if it passed, or are you just looking for ways to justify thef.??

[zan]

Zan, cut the crap.

I can trace my family roots back to the 12 century in our village in the Morphou area. So where was stealing involved from TCs when the family wants its land back?

The people moved to the village from Polis feel the same way about their land. They want it back, they do not want to be in the Morpou region, but they are not given a choice by the TRNC and the Turks. They detest mainlanders so much that they demolish houses to prevent settlers being moved there.

Missed the point all together yet again Nikitas.. I am talking about our rights in government and the island.

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

[RichardB]

Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

[zan]

Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

I have no disagreement with that Richard.......Part of the decisions made by the governments....Indirectly of course. You cannot have such a war an expect to be able to set up shop in our enemies camp....Shame but its true. what I am trying to do in this instance is dispel the Greek propaganda that this all happened out of the blue and because Turks are barbarians. There was war and bad things happened. The population exchange could have been halted with a settlement that was fair. If the Turks were so bad then a return to the Zurich agreement would have left them with nowhere to go. This did not happen. Can you imagine if the GCs had stood up and made the announcement that they wanted to return to it in its original state????

[DT.]

Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

I have no disagreement with that Richard.......Part of the decisions made by the governments....Indirectly of course. You cannot have such a war an expect to be able to set up shop in our enemies camp....Shame but its true. what I am trying to do in this instance is dispel the Greek propaganda that this all happened out of the blue and because Turks are barbarians. There was war and bad things happened. The population exchange could have been halted with a settlement that was fair. If the Turks were so bad then a return to the Zurich agreement would have left them with nowhere to go. This did not happen. Can you imagine if the GCs had stood up and made the announcement that they wanted to return to it in its original state????

There was no option for the Zurich agreement left to CLerides during the conference. He was given either the choice of accepting the Gunes agreement which called for 2 states with a 33% split to the TC side or all out war. Clerides asks for 36 hours to deliberate with the other politicans back in Cyprus and Greece and he gets a point blank refusal and then WAR. The Zurich agreements were never an option given out by the Turks after the 1st Invasion, so stop using this line Zan. If they had been an option and the Greek side refused then we would all be singing a different tune now.

[Tim Drayton]

Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

I also believe that at a time when there was only a primary school available, children were permitted to leave and continue their education south of the line only on condition that they did not come back to live in Karpasia. Some choice - stay on and have only primary education, or get secondary schooling and ****** off for good.

[DT.]

Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

I also believe that at a time when there was only a primary school available, children were permitted to leave and continue their education south of the line only on condition that they did not come back to live in Karpasia. Some choice - stay on and have only primary education, or get secondary schooling and ****** off for good.

Yep, you can't beat the Turkish millitary when it comes to taking humanitarian decisions like that.

[zan]

Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

I also believe that at a time when there was only a primary school available, children were permitted to leave and continue their education south of the line only on condition that they did not come back to live in Karpasia. Some choice - stay on and have only primary education, or get secondary schooling and ****** off for good.

Yep, you can't beat the Turkish millitary when it comes to taking humanitarian decisions like that.

just a question....What was happening in the South to the TCs???? Were they allowed to do what ever they wanted?????