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[Oracle]

Even if we want to forget them, and certainly Bananiot would rather we forget the crimes of Turkey ... the rest of the world would not be happy at being denied by us the seeking of justice against Turkey's war crimes.

We expect the Police to arrest a criminal to face justice, we don't expect someone to persuade them to release him because we should just move on as Bananiot wants us to.

Here is a most unbiased source which summarises these atrocities ....


http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/Cypru ... r/hr_9.htm

You are just making yourself look foolish and Kifeas cringing in his seat......Perhaps GR should come back as himself and keep you in check...Issued by the Cyprus Bar Association Unbiased...hehehehehehehehe

The summary may have been compiled by the Bar ... but are you saying they made up the ECHR findings? This is what they present.

ANNEX I:Conclusions of the European Commission of Human Rights in the First two Applications Included in the Report on 10 July 1976.
ANNEX II:Conclusions of the European Commission of Human Rights in the Third Application Included in the Report Adopted on 4 October 1983

ANNEX III:

Resolutions Adopted by the UN Security Council
Resolutions Adopted by the UN General Assembly
Resolutions Adopted by the Commission on Human Rights
Resolutions Adopted by the Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities
Decisions Adopted by the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination

[zan]

Pictures speak louder than words Billy bot Boobit....Here are some for starters......

[Oracle]

And more relevant text as to why a second phase happened. Things don't just happen out of the blue Magnus....



US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, took the credit for persuading both sides to agree to a ceasefire on 22 July - on condition negotiations began immediately on the island's future.
The foreign ministers of Greece, Turkey and Britain - as former colonial ruler - began talks on a new constitution on 25 July in Geneva, the European headquarters of the United Nations.

The talks broke down. Fighting broke out again as both sides fought to strengthen their position.

A second conference in August broke down when Turkish forces advanced to take control of nearly 40% of the island.

About 160,000 Greek Cypriots fled south or were expelled - about 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved north a year later.

Talks to settle the crisis diplomatically failed. In February 1975, the Turks announced the establishment of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, with Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash becoming president. Eight years later they declared themselves an independent state which is recognised only by Turkey.

Talks have continued since to try to reconcile the two sides. In 2004 a referendum was held on a UN plan to reunite the island - it gained support from the Turkish side, but was overhwelmingly rejected by the Greeks.

How did the talks break down? They don't just happen out of the blue. Turkey walked out just before an agreement was reached in order to complete her quest of dividing the island.

And your source is???

Huh? .... I didn't quote anything specifically ... but I'll try and find an old source as it's often mentioned.

But where is your source for a definite lengthy quote!

You need to get to bed old girl...Sleepy eyes miss everything....The link was made on the previous quote and if you had bothered to read it instead of your dishonest and vile denials coming in at a rate that does not allow you to think properly, you would have seen the article......You have let your side down badly Oracle dear.........DT is watching you know!!!!!

That was from the column to the side of that quote which doesn't come through unless you go back to the original source. You still should have quoted where you sourced it from!

[zan]

http://www.revver.com/video/497933/gree ... da-part-2/

[utu]

Looks like another normal day on the Cyprus Forum... (sigh)

[bill cobbett]

[quote="zan"]Pictures speak louder than words Billy bot Boobit....Here are some for starters......


Only if you can't read saddo. Forgot self-important Zon the Plonker only reads what he posts (many times)



Here have another go at your favourite bedtime reading.

As long as the vulgar Greek exists in this world
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
As long as I see him there like a dog
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

My only aim is revenge
When my turn comes to go to battle
In one day I'll butcher a thousand Giavours
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

Even if I crush thirty thousand of their heads with a stone
Even if I wrench out the teeth of ten thousand
And throw a hundred thousand of their corpses into the river
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

The whole world knows how superior the Turk is
Who crashed the Greek's fucked world over his head
Even if I burn in stokeholes the heads of five thousand of them
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

Even if I slash forty thousand of them with my bayonet
And send eighty thousand of them to the devil
And hang a hundred thousand of them
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred

[zan]

It is much better in Turkish GR......

You getting excited over a poem........I think you should read some of Makarios' speaches and Nikos Samson mate......real murderers not a poem....

[Magnus]

Thanks Zan, I just have a couple of questions about these articles.

It is clear from the first article that the Turkish forces were winning the battle (as we would expect) and that it wouldn't last very long. Given this fact, how can anyone justify the atrocities committed by the Turkish troops as 'acts of war' (as Bananiot stated) when the GC/Greek forces were clearly not much of a threat and the conflict was hardly a full scale 'war'? And shouldn't the Turkish forces have just put down the coupists and left the civilians alone?

Also, If we are to consider these events as a declaration of war from Turkey to Cyprus, then how can anyone claim that it was a 'peace operation' intended to protect TC civilians? Clearly it is an indication of a long-term expansionist policy as there is a very definite line between a declaration of war and a declared peace operation in line with Turkey's guarantor rights.

As for the Greek navy, perhaps they were there to support the coupists or even protect the GC civilians from the Turkish forces. Either way they weren't successful. Are there any accounts of the Greek forces harming TC civilians rather than fight the Turkish forces?

[Get Real!]

Perhaps GR should come back as himself and keep you in check...Issued by the Cyprus Bar Association Unbiased...hehehehehehehehe

Be careful what you wish for…


First, inform yourself of what Turkey had SIGNED to abide by with respects to Cyprus:


CYPRUS-TREATY OF GUARANTEE
Nicosia, 16 August 1960

ARTICLE IV
In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary to ensure observance of those provisions.

In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty.

http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty ... rantee.pdf



Second, inform yourself of what Turkey DEMANDED during the first ceasefire meeting, contrary to what she had previously signed:

“There were thus not one but two military operations carried out by Turkey on
Cyprus. The first one, launched on July 20, had seemed to be both consistent with and a
natural extension of fourteen years of Turkish policy in support of the 1960 Treaties of
Guarantee and Alliance. However, with the successful landing of troops on Cyprus in
July, Turkish objectives appear to have changed dramatically. Suddenly, Turkey was no
longer arguing in defense of the status quo, but rather was seeking to overthrow it.
Turkey’s objective now became the replacement of the governmental structure that had
been in place since 1960 with a framework based upon the concept of taksim, the division of the island’s Greek and Turkish communities.”

http://wws.princeton.edu/research/cases/cyprus.pdf


So now you know that while the RoC fought off the Greek coupists and shed their blood in the process, in order to restore the legitimate government of Cyprus, Turkey acting as a “guarantor” diabolically “intervened” with the ulterior motives of Taksim proving that her signatures to the treaties were not worth the paper they were written on.

Regards, GR.

[utu]

So now you know that while the RoC fought off the Greek coupists and shed their blood in the process, in order to restore the legitimate government of Cyprus, Turkey acting as a “guarantor” diabolically “intervened” with the ulterior motives of Taksim proving that her signatures to the treaties were not worth the paper they were written on.

Regards, GR.

Sampson's goal was Enosis, so it can be countered that the treaties were equally spurned on the other side. GR, it is true that the retention of Turkish Forces on Cyprus is a violation of the Treaty of Guarantee - both in letter and spirit, but the fact that what started this debacle was a Greek-sponsored coup d'etat with the stated goal of annexing Cyprus to the Hellenic Republic of Greece also qualified as a treaty violation. Both of the guarantor powers had abused Cypriot independence. Both need to get away from the island if Cyprus can hope to have that statusof an independent country in fact as well as in name...