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[zan]

And more relevant text as to why a second phase happened. Things don't just happen out of the blue Magnus....



US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, took the credit for persuading both sides to agree to a ceasefire on 22 July - on condition negotiations began immediately on the island's future.
The foreign ministers of Greece, Turkey and Britain - as former colonial ruler - began talks on a new constitution on 25 July in Geneva, the European headquarters of the United Nations.

The talks broke down. Fighting broke out again as both sides fought to strengthen their position.

A second conference in August broke down when Turkish forces advanced to take control of nearly 40% of the island.

About 160,000 Greek Cypriots fled south or were expelled - about 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved north a year later.

Talks to settle the crisis diplomatically failed. In February 1975, the Turks announced the establishment of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, with Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash becoming president. Eight years later they declared themselves an independent state which is recognised only by Turkey.

Talks have continued since to try to reconcile the two sides. In 2004 a referendum was held on a UN plan to reunite the island - it gained support from the Turkish side, but was overhwelmingly rejected by the Greeks.

[Oracle]

And more relevant text as to why a second phase happened. Things don't just happen out of the blue Magnus....



US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, took the credit for persuading both sides to agree to a ceasefire on 22 July - on condition negotiations began immediately on the island's future.
The foreign ministers of Greece, Turkey and Britain - as former colonial ruler - began talks on a new constitution on 25 July in Geneva, the European headquarters of the United Nations.

The talks broke down. Fighting broke out again as both sides fought to strengthen their position.

A second conference in August broke down when Turkish forces advanced to take control of nearly 40% of the island.

About 160,000 Greek Cypriots fled south or were expelled - about 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved north a year later.

Talks to settle the crisis diplomatically failed. In February 1975, the Turks announced the establishment of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, with Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash becoming president. Eight years later they declared themselves an independent state which is recognised only by Turkey.

Talks have continued since to try to reconcile the two sides. In 2004 a referendum was held on a UN plan to reunite the island - it gained support from the Turkish side, but was overhwelmingly rejected by the Greeks.

How did the talks break down? They don't just happen out of the blue. Turkey walked out just before an agreement was reached in order to complete her quest of dividing the island.

[zan]

And more relevant text as to why a second phase happened. Things don't just happen out of the blue Magnus....



US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, took the credit for persuading both sides to agree to a ceasefire on 22 July - on condition negotiations began immediately on the island's future.
The foreign ministers of Greece, Turkey and Britain - as former colonial ruler - began talks on a new constitution on 25 July in Geneva, the European headquarters of the United Nations.

The talks broke down. Fighting broke out again as both sides fought to strengthen their position.

A second conference in August broke down when Turkish forces advanced to take control of nearly 40% of the island.

About 160,000 Greek Cypriots fled south or were expelled - about 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved north a year later.

Talks to settle the crisis diplomatically failed. In February 1975, the Turks announced the establishment of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, with Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash becoming president. Eight years later they declared themselves an independent state which is recognised only by Turkey.

Talks have continued since to try to reconcile the two sides. In 2004 a referendum was held on a UN plan to reunite the island - it gained support from the Turkish side, but was overhwelmingly rejected by the Greeks.

How did the talks break down? They don't just happen out of the blue. Turkey walked out just before an agreement was reached in order to complete her quest of dividing the island.

And your source is???

[Oracle]

Even if we want to forget them, and certainly Bananiot would rather we forget the crimes of Turkey ... the rest of the world would not be happy at being denied by us the seeking of justice against Turkey's war crimes.

We expect the Police to arrest a criminal to face justice, we don't expect someone to persuade them to release him because we should just move on as Bananiot wants us to.

Here is a most unbiased source which summarises these atrocities ....


http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/Cypru ... r/hr_9.htm

[zan]

Even if we want to forget them, and certainly Bananiot would rather we forget the crimes of Turkey ... the rest of the world would not be happy at being denied by us the seeking of justice against Turkey's war crimes.

We expect the Police to arrest a criminal to face justice, we don't expect someone to persuade them to release him because we should just move on as Bananiot wants us to.

Here is a most unbiased source which summarises these atrocities ....


http://www.hri.org/cgi-bin/brief?/Cypru ... r/hr_9.htm

You are just making yourself look foolish and Kifeas cringing in his seat......Perhaps GR should come back as himself and keep you in check...Issued by the Cyprus Bar Association Unbiased...hehehehehehehehe

[Oracle]

And more relevant text as to why a second phase happened. Things don't just happen out of the blue Magnus....



US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, took the credit for persuading both sides to agree to a ceasefire on 22 July - on condition negotiations began immediately on the island's future.
The foreign ministers of Greece, Turkey and Britain - as former colonial ruler - began talks on a new constitution on 25 July in Geneva, the European headquarters of the United Nations.

The talks broke down. Fighting broke out again as both sides fought to strengthen their position.

A second conference in August broke down when Turkish forces advanced to take control of nearly 40% of the island.

About 160,000 Greek Cypriots fled south or were expelled - about 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved north a year later.

Talks to settle the crisis diplomatically failed. In February 1975, the Turks announced the establishment of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, with Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash becoming president. Eight years later they declared themselves an independent state which is recognised only by Turkey.

Talks have continued since to try to reconcile the two sides. In 2004 a referendum was held on a UN plan to reunite the island - it gained support from the Turkish side, but was overhwelmingly rejected by the Greeks.

How did the talks break down? They don't just happen out of the blue. Turkey walked out just before an agreement was reached in order to complete her quest of dividing the island.

And your source is???

Huh? .... I didn't quote anything specifically ... but I'll try and find an old source as it's often mentioned.

But where is your source for a definite lengthy quote!

[Magnus]

Thanks Zan, I just have a couple of questions about these articles.

It is clear from the first article that the Turkish forces were winning the battle (as we would expect) and that it wouldn't last very long. Given this fact, how can anyone justify the atrocities committed by the Turkish troops as 'acts of war' (as Bananiot stated) when the GC/Greek forces were clearly not much of a threat and the conflict was hardly a full scale 'war'? And shouldn't the Turkish forces have just put down the coupists and left the civilians alone?

Also, If we are to consider these events as a declaration of war from Turkey to Cyprus, then how can anyone claim that it was a 'peace operation' intended to protect TC civilians? Clearly it is an indication of a long-term expansionist policy as there is a very definite line between a declaration of war and a declared peace operation in line with Turkey's guarantor rights.

As for the Greek navy, perhaps they were there to support the coupists or even protect the GC civilians from the Turkish forces. Either way they weren't successful. Are there any accounts of the Greek forces harming TC civilians rather than fight the Turkish forces?

[zan]

And more relevant text as to why a second phase happened. Things don't just happen out of the blue Magnus....



US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, took the credit for persuading both sides to agree to a ceasefire on 22 July - on condition negotiations began immediately on the island's future.
The foreign ministers of Greece, Turkey and Britain - as former colonial ruler - began talks on a new constitution on 25 July in Geneva, the European headquarters of the United Nations.

The talks broke down. Fighting broke out again as both sides fought to strengthen their position.

A second conference in August broke down when Turkish forces advanced to take control of nearly 40% of the island.

About 160,000 Greek Cypriots fled south or were expelled - about 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved north a year later.

Talks to settle the crisis diplomatically failed. In February 1975, the Turks announced the establishment of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, with Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash becoming president. Eight years later they declared themselves an independent state which is recognised only by Turkey.

Talks have continued since to try to reconcile the two sides. In 2004 a referendum was held on a UN plan to reunite the island - it gained support from the Turkish side, but was overhwelmingly rejected by the Greeks.

How did the talks break down? They don't just happen out of the blue. Turkey walked out just before an agreement was reached in order to complete her quest of dividing the island.

And your source is???

Huh? .... I didn't quote anything specifically ... but I'll try and find an old source as it's often mentioned.

But where is your source for a definite lengthy quote!

You need to get to bed old girl...Sleepy eyes miss everything....The link was made on the previous quote and if you had bothered to read it instead of your dishonest and vile denials coming in at a rate that does not allow you to think properly, you would have seen the article......You have let your side down badly Oracle dear.........DT is watching you know!!!!!

[xxNilxx]

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You people are pathetic. Every time I look at this forum there's always something even MORE PATHETIC. Both Turkish and Greek speaking Cypriots died. Don't even act like your totally innocent.
Past is past. We can't change the history. But, we can learn from the mistakes of our older generation and work together to create a better and peaceful future.

I can't believe you still post rubbish like this (both sides) when Cyprus is working so hard, especially now days. Open your minds and hearts - we're exactly the same. Cypriots. Stop giving our island such a bloody name.
Move on guys. Peace.

[bill cobbett]

This is the poem from the turkish newspaper Hurriyet on 18 July 1974 that was posted by our Oracle earlier this summer. To my mind it supports the contention that the nice troops of the Turkish Army were encouraged to commit the atrocities.

An indoctrinated, brainwashed army trained to destroy anything and anyone in their way without any regard to any morality.

Here is another of the differences between 63 and the barbaric "piss operation" of 1974

As long as the vulgar Greek exists in this world
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
As long as I see him there like a dog
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

My only aim is revenge
When my turn comes to go to battle
In one day I'll butcher a thousand Giavours
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

Even if I crush thirty thousand of their heads with a stone
Even if I wrench out the teeth of ten thousand
And throw a hundred thousand of their corpses into the river
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

The whole world knows how superior the Turk is
Who crashed the Greek's fucked world over his head
Even if I burn in stokeholes the heads of five thousand of them
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.

Even if I slash forty thousand of them with my bayonet
And send eighty thousand of them to the devil
And hang a hundred thousand of them
By Allah, this hatred won't leave me
A thousand heads of infidel Giavours cannot wash away this hatred.