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[T_C]

I see TC wants me to go and "fuck" myself. . Nice and proper debater.

I suspect that this Top_Cant and Zon the Plonker must have fecked themselves and possibly each other several times in the past as they still won't concede and appreciate the difference between the inter-communal conflict of 63, one in which both communities suffered and the events of 1974 when one of the largest armies in "Europe" invaded with many battalions of infantry, armour, paratroopers, warships, airplanes etc. etc.in a whole-scale WAR . One fought in the main against unarmed civilians.

(Once against condolences to the families of all the victims of both communities - barely a day goes by when I don't think of those who suffered and still suffer)

Yeah right Bill. My family rarely left their vineyards in Aleftora, they didnt even know any GCs. Yet they were chased out of their homes and made to live like animals, and you call that intercommunal violence?

Tell me what was so different in what they went through to what the GCs went through in 74?

[zan]

I see TC wants me to go and "fuck" myself. . Nice and proper debater.

I suspect that this Top_Cant and Zon the Plonker must have fecked themselves and possibly each other several times in the past as they still won't concede and appreciate the difference between the inter-communal conflict of 63, one in which both communities suffered and the events of 1974 when one of the largest armies in "Europe" invaded with many battalions of infantry, armour, paratroopers, warships, airplanes etc. etc.in a whole-scale WAR . One fought in the main against unarmed civilians.

(Once against condolences to the families of all the victims of both communities - barely a day goes by when I don't think of those who suffered and still suffer)

Yeah right Bill. My family rarely left their vineyards in Aleftora, they didnt even know any GCs. Yet they were chased out of their homes and made to live like animals, and you call that intercommunal violence?

Tell me what was so different in what they went through to what the GCs went through in 74?

See what I mean about this so called man...."Fought against civilians".....Armed to the teeth with the only tanks on the island before Turkey came...I really like these lies because they show the world what these idiots have been taught....Thanks Bobbit!!!

[miltiades]

I was watching a tv programme about Cypriots who fought with the allies in Italy. The presenter asked one of them to describe something that really struck out. The old soldier, without hesitation, immediately replied "the way the Poles killed Germans".

How can we be looking for justice in a war? War is all about taking lives and there is no way to feel at ease with this, even if the bad guys lose out.

It is true that the Turkish army went on a rampage, killing captives and spreading terror and fear in its passage. Yet, last April I attended the funeral of my fellow villager Kkitros who was laid to rest after so many years when his bones were eventually identified. Sevgul Uludag was there too. The nephew of Kkitros (a lawyer I believe) gave an unbelievably balanced speech, despite his sorrow. He told the large crowed that attended the funeral that the Turkish army started executing people after the mass graves were discovered in Aloa, Sandalaris and another village whose name I do not remember now. There, women and children were brutaly murdered by Greek Cypriots.

War brings the worse out of people. Everybody is capable of atrocities during war times. The Americans did it at Mi Lai in Vietnam and the cultured French behaved barbarously in Algeria. The Greek army in Asia minor was no better, according to Dido Soteriou (Matomena Chomata - also translated into Turkish. All must read this masterpiece). We took patients out of their hospital beds in 1963 and threw them down wells, after we put a bullet in their head.

It is the duty of all Cypriots to strive so that we and our childern and our childrens children do not have to go through this agony again. If we insist on counting who murdered more and who less we will be missing the point and end up like Piratis et al who think that justice is a matter of statistics. We need to bury the hatchet. We need peace here and now and now that a new effort is made we should be encouraging our leaders to move positively towards peace. The blame game feeds only the war monster. Even if things seem difficult we should never give up.

One final thought. There are bad people in both communities. We know who they are and it is up to us to cut their murdering hands. This can only be achieved if we get the peace we deserve. Otherwise we might as well feed the minautor of hate with more young blood.

Basically you are saying let's forget what happened because it was carried out by Turks.

A misconstrued death of one TC in 1963 is worth a special mention by you to remind us of our "crimes" ... without any back-up evidence ... yet thousands of war crimes by Turkey against GCs had best be "buried as a hatchet" and not be used in mere statistic games.

I wouldn't be surprised if your misogynistic tendencies aren't helping you sweep this article under the carpet as irrelevant details to the all-important goal of having your beloved Turkey on our soil....

Then at least admit your crimes and the fact that you took our country away from us and then you will be more believable......This is not a plea because I know it will not happen. You coming up with lies and distortions will give me either a two state system or recognition...Either will do...I am tired of waiting for you to come to your senses...

You are on of the most bitter , divisive and destructive individual on this forum.
How on earth can you accuse the 80 % of Cypriots as having taken YOUR country away from you. You are a twisted and rather pathetic individual .
You have offered absolutely NOTHING in the reconciliation efforts that genuine Cypriots from both sides are involved in. How dare you pretend that you represent the opinion of the moderates amongst T/Cs , you are by all account a Grey Wolf dedicated to the permanent division of this island .
Listen Plonker , most of the decent Cypriots have expressed their sorrow that fanatics and extremists from both sides have have caused so much suffering to our people , all apart from Zan the Hate Master .

You need to get out more or read more of what I write old drunk man.....What I have contributed is a balance to your greed in wanting the island for yourself.....You are the most danger to Cyprus because you have a tongue that drips blood just like Makarios. You speak sweetly to TCs but want nothing more than a Greek island and the marginalisation of the TC people...You are an assassin and a lier and not to be trusted.....

You are a first class Plonker mate. I'm very well known on this forum and my views which have been relentlessly consistent are there for all to see.As far as I'm concerned you are a sick individual with very limited amount of common sense. So , Miltiades is an ASSASIN !!! What an idiot you are mate !! No one on this forum should take you seriously, how the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I'm an ASSASIN , you blithering idiot !
ps. Sex maniac you !!!!

[zan]

Miltiades, how can you call somebody a hate master, when in fact he is an essentially mentally castrated individual?

And Oracle told us that she wanted to be like you and post only quality posts.... Got any more quality posts Kifeas dear?????Cause every time you actually attempt one you get shot down like the dog you are!!!

[Oracle]

Miltiades, how can you call somebody a hate master, when in fact he is an essentially mentally castrated individual?

And Oracle told us that she wanted to be like you and post only quality posts.... Got any more quality posts Kifeas dear?????Cause every time you actually attempt one you get shot down like the dog you are!!!

When did I say I wanted to post like Kifeas? ... I would be condemning my own posts then

But he does have an enviable turn of phrase

Perhaps it is you Zan who should be looking to Kifeas as a mentor.

[Magnus]

Magnus.....I have been here over three years and have seen people that post those articles come and go and that is why you got the sarcastic comments...Perhaps you should have not invited them and posted your comments as well. Your experiment is floored mate......I asked if Deniz and Bananiots comments changed your way of thinking...Did it???

I'm glad we have got beyond the sarcasm.

I don't really think of it so much as an experiment, as experiments will either fail or succeed. I think of it more as an opportunity for everyone to assess 'the courage of their convictions'.

To be honest I am waiting for more responses as have an issue I want to raise with Bananiot's argument (will address this to him directly) and I am having difficulty in accepting that TCs in mixed villages were unaware of the atrocities carried out by the Turkish army. Naturally I don't doubt Deniz's word that he personally didn't know or the word of the other posters here, but I am concerned by indications that nobody was aware at all.

[zan]

Miltiades, how can you call somebody a hate master, when in fact he is an essentially mentally castrated individual?

And Oracle told us that she wanted to be like you and post only quality posts.... Got any more quality posts Kifeas dear?????Cause every time you actually attempt one you get shot down like the dog you are!!!

When did I say I wanted to post like Kifeas? ... I would be condemning my own posts then

But he does have an enviable turn of phrase

Perhaps it is you Zan who should be looking to Kifeas as a mentor.

You said a while back that you would be cutting down on the number of posts and only make quality ones like Kifeas......Obviously you didn't mean it otherwise you would have remembered....

[Viewpoint]

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[Oracle]

I read somewhere once that TCs actually joined in with the Turkish troops in some of these atrocities ... does anyone know more about this?

[zan]

I was watching a tv programme about Cypriots who fought with the allies in Italy. The presenter asked one of them to describe something that really struck out. The old soldier, without hesitation, immediately replied "the way the Poles killed Germans".

How can we be looking for justice in a war? War is all about taking lives and there is no way to feel at ease with this, even if the bad guys lose out.

It is true that the Turkish army went on a rampage, killing captives and spreading terror and fear in its passage. Yet, last April I attended the funeral of my fellow villager Kkitros who was laid to rest after so many years when his bones were eventually identified. Sevgul Uludag was there too. The nephew of Kkitros (a lawyer I believe) gave an unbelievably balanced speech, despite his sorrow. He told the large crowed that attended the funeral that the Turkish army started executing people after the mass graves were discovered in Aloa, Sandalaris and another village whose name I do not remember now. There, women and children were brutaly murdered by Greek Cypriots.

War brings the worse out of people. Everybody is capable of atrocities during war times. The Americans did it at Mi Lai in Vietnam and the cultured French behaved barbarously in Algeria. The Greek army in Asia minor was no better, according to Dido Soteriou (Matomena Chomata - also translated into Turkish. All must read this masterpiece). We took patients out of their hospital beds in 1963 and threw them down wells, after we put a bullet in their head.

It is the duty of all Cypriots to strive so that we and our childern and our childrens children do not have to go through this agony again. If we insist on counting who murdered more and who less we will be missing the point and end up like Piratis et al who think that justice is a matter of statistics. We need to bury the hatchet. We need peace here and now and now that a new effort is made we should be encouraging our leaders to move positively towards peace. The blame game feeds only the war monster. Even if things seem difficult we should never give up.

One final thought. There are bad people in both communities. We know who they are and it is up to us to cut their murdering hands. This can only be achieved if we get the peace we deserve. Otherwise we might as well feed the minautor of hate with more young blood.

Basically you are saying let's forget what happened because it was carried out by Turks.

A misconstrued death of one TC in 1963 is worth a special mention by you to remind us of our "crimes" ... without any back-up evidence ... yet thousands of war crimes by Turkey against GCs had best be "buried as a hatchet" and not be used in mere statistic games.

I wouldn't be surprised if your misogynistic tendencies aren't helping you sweep this article under the carpet as irrelevant details to the all-important goal of having your beloved Turkey on our soil....

Then at least admit your crimes and the fact that you took our country away from us and then you will be more believable......This is not a plea because I know it will not happen. You coming up with lies and distortions will give me either a two state system or recognition...Either will do...I am tired of waiting for you to come to your senses...

You are on of the most bitter , divisive and destructive individual on this forum.
How on earth can you accuse the 80 % of Cypriots as having taken YOUR country away from you. You are a twisted and rather pathetic individual .
You have offered absolutely NOTHING in the reconciliation efforts that genuine Cypriots from both sides are involved in. How dare you pretend that you represent the opinion of the moderates amongst T/Cs , you are by all account a Grey Wolf dedicated to the permanent division of this island .
Listen Plonker , most of the decent Cypriots have expressed their sorrow that fanatics and extremists from both sides have have caused so much suffering to our people , all apart from Zan the Hate Master .

You need to get out more or read more of what I write old drunk man.....What I have contributed is a balance to your greed in wanting the island for yourself.....You are the most danger to Cyprus because you have a tongue that drips blood just like Makarios. You speak sweetly to TCs but want nothing more than a Greek island and the marginalisation of the TC people...You are an assassin and a lier and not to be trusted.....

You are a first class Plonker mate. I'm very well known on this forum and my views which have been relentlessly consistent are there for all to see.As far as I'm concerned you are a sick individual with very limited amount of common sense. So , Miltiades is an ASSASIN !!! What an idiot you are mate !! No one on this forum should take you seriously, how the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I'm an ASSASIN , you blithering idiot !
ps. Sex maniac you !!!!

Ranting again Milti........Tut Tut!!!!

You are an assasin because you agree with what EOKA did and ENOSIS and you try to tell TCs here that you are our friend......Who do you think you are you manic depressive.....

Sex maniac?????