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[denizaksulu]

THeft on a grand scale. With naval ships taking on the loot, which tells a lot about the honor of the naval officers involved and the ethos of the navy. And obviously you cannot bring stuff onboard unless the high command gives its OK. In other words they knew and approved of the thieving. A policy which has gone unabated since then.

It reminds me of the tons and tons of Samurai swords looted from Japan and loadedon to ships bound for USA (after the Japanese surrender).

I am not condoning these actions, just that 'the spoils of war belongs to the victor' mentality.

[Nikitas]

Weapons are legitimate spoils. Fridges and TV sets lower the standards of a fighting force to that of the lorry drivers from the back of which fall the "usual" goods.

[denizaksulu]

Weapons are legitimate spoils. Fridges and TV sets lower the standards of a fighting force to that of the lorry drivers from the back of which fall the "usual" goods.

Perhaps it was these refrigerators which began the BEKO empire.

[Viewpoint]

What did you expect them to do under the circumstancies?

Well VP, I would expect them to behave like professionals and men of honour, not a bunch of despicable thugs. I would expect them to do what they agreed to do under the Treaty of Guarantee:

CYPRUS-TREATY OF GUARANTEE
Nicosia, 16 August 1960

ARTICLE IV
In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary to ensure observance of those provisions.

In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty.

http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty ... rantee.pdf

I would expect them to preserve the safety and security of ALL Cypriots caught up in the fighting. I would expect them to put down the extremists/coupists and restore order as was their mandate and right as a guarantor.

And most of all I would expect them to do what they were meant to do and then get out of Cyprus.

How about you?

I agree if only the people they were trying to save did not bomb them and capitate soliders then put them on show, all hell broke loose and there are many examples throughout history that in times of war no one is safe. Although pointless death of innocent people is very very regretable should you not be blaming or asking for answers from those that placed you in such a position, hold those responsible who persecuted TCs and wanted to gift away Cyprus to Greece knowing full well the dangers it would behold for TCs, TCs had no choice they had to fight for survival.

As forleaving surely that will happen when we agree a solution and resolve our problems.

VP, the people who were trying to bomb the Turkish army etc were armed combatants. There is a vast difference between that and the average civilian and you can't seriously justify atrocities against civilians because armed combatants had the nerve to resist. It just doesn't work logically. That would be like saying 'it's ok for us to murder you and rape your women because some of your countrymen have been fighting against us'.

A truly professional army should be focused and disciplned enough to concentrate on their aims and certainly not have time to go around murdering and raping civilians. You know this as well as I do.

As for the Greeks and GCs responsible for the coup, of course we all blame them for their deeds, but as detestable as those people are/were we can only logically blame them for making Turkey intervene. We can't blame them for the atrocities carried out by the Turks once they arrived.

Faced with GC ferocity and acts that enraged the Turkish officers to give orders to destroy anyone in their way it not to uncommon, Vietnam Iraq etc, you are right in blaming your own for allowing Turkey the opportunity to move in but you must also realize that if you play with fire you will get burnt and unfortunately innocent GCs paid the price.

[bill cobbett]

The following is a small extract from Turkey's Killing Machine: The Contra-Guerrilla Force
By Serdar Celik
February/March 1994

"The invasion of Cyprus was an action of the Special Warfare Department. In 1955 the Department set up a secret organisation called the Turk Mukavemet Hareketi (Turkish Resistance Movement). This organisation carried out systematic provocations in Cyprus in order to prepare the conditions for the 1974 coup. To prepare for the occupation of Cyprus, teams directed by Hiram Abbas and the Special Warfare Department established themselves in Beirut, from where they could organise activities in Cyprus. The Cyprus invasion was organised by the then chief of the Special Warfare Department Kemal Yemek. Cyprus was the first serious test for the Turkish contra-guerrillas. After 1980 Kurdistan took the place of Cyprus in this respect."

This is from a Kurd publication and I have not been successful in confirming this with other sources. Is anyone able to shed some light on this unit's operations in CY?

[zan]

The following is a small extract from Turkey's Killing Machine: The Contra-Guerrilla Force
By Serdar Celik
February/March 1994

"The invasion of Cyprus was an action of the Special Warfare Department. In 1955 the Department set up a secret organisation called the Turk Mukavemet Hareketi (Turkish Resistance Movement). This organisation carried out systematic provocations in Cyprus in order to prepare the conditions for the 1974 coup. To prepare for the occupation of Cyprus, teams directed by Hiram Abbas and the Special Warfare Department established themselves in Beirut, from where they could organise activities in Cyprus. The Cyprus invasion was organised by the then chief of the Special Warfare Department Kemal Yemek. Cyprus was the first serious test for the Turkish contra-guerrillas. After 1980 Kurdistan took the place of Cyprus in this respect."

This is from a Kurd publication and I have not been successful in confirming this with other sources. Is anyone able to shed some light on this unit's operations in CY?

[bill cobbett]

The following is a small extract from Turkey's Killing Machine: The Contra-Guerrilla Force
By Serdar Celik
February/March 1994

"The invasion of Cyprus was an action of the Special Warfare Department. In 1955 the Department set up a secret organisation called the Turk Mukavemet Hareketi (Turkish Resistance Movement). This organisation carried out systematic provocations in Cyprus in order to prepare the conditions for the 1974 coup. To prepare for the occupation of Cyprus, teams directed by Hiram Abbas and the Special Warfare Department established themselves in Beirut, from where they could organise activities in Cyprus. The Cyprus invasion was organised by the then chief of the Special Warfare Department Kemal Yemek. Cyprus was the first serious test for the Turkish contra-guerrillas. After 1980 Kurdistan took the place of Cyprus in this respect."

This is from a Kurd publication and I have not been successful in confirming this with other sources. Is anyone able to shed some light on this unit's operations in CY?

Which is Why Zon I have asked for help in confirming it -



oops sorry almost forgot - PLONKER !

[zan]

The following is a small extract from Turkey's Killing Machine: The Contra-Guerrilla Force
By Serdar Celik
February/March 1994

"The invasion of Cyprus was an action of the Special Warfare Department. In 1955 the Department set up a secret organisation called the Turk Mukavemet Hareketi (Turkish Resistance Movement). This organisation carried out systematic provocations in Cyprus in order to prepare the conditions for the 1974 coup. To prepare for the occupation of Cyprus, teams directed by Hiram Abbas and the Special Warfare Department established themselves in Beirut, from where they could organise activities in Cyprus. The Cyprus invasion was organised by the then chief of the Special Warfare Department Kemal Yemek. Cyprus was the first serious test for the Turkish contra-guerrillas. After 1980 Kurdistan took the place of Cyprus in this respect."

This is from a Kurd publication and I have not been successful in confirming this with other sources. Is anyone able to shed some light on this unit's operations in CY?

Which is Why Zon I have asked for help in confirming it -



oops sorry almost forgot - PLONKER !

You definitely need help GR...That is for sure.....Perhaps I was also mistaking your intention here....I think not....

[bill cobbett]

The following is a small extract from Turkey's Killing Machine: The Contra-Guerrilla Force
By Serdar Celik
February/March 1994

"The invasion of Cyprus was an action of the Special Warfare Department. In 1955 the Department set up a secret organisation called the Turk Mukavemet Hareketi (Turkish Resistance Movement). This organisation carried out systematic provocations in Cyprus in order to prepare the conditions for the 1974 coup. To prepare for the occupation of Cyprus, teams directed by Hiram Abbas and the Special Warfare Department established themselves in Beirut, from where they could organise activities in Cyprus. The Cyprus invasion was organised by the then chief of the Special Warfare Department Kemal Yemek. Cyprus was the first serious test for the Turkish contra-guerrillas. After 1980 Kurdistan took the place of Cyprus in this respect."

This is from a Kurd publication and I have not been successful in confirming this with other sources. Is anyone able to shed some light on this unit's operations in CY?

Which is Why Zon I have asked for help in confirming it -



oops sorry almost forgot - PLONKER !

You definitely need help GR...That is for sure.....Perhaps I was also mistaking your intention here....I think not....

That's right ...you think, not!

[zan]

The following is a small extract from Turkey's Killing Machine: The Contra-Guerrilla Force
By Serdar Celik
February/March 1994

"The invasion of Cyprus was an action of the Special Warfare Department. In 1955 the Department set up a secret organisation called the Turk Mukavemet Hareketi (Turkish Resistance Movement). This organisation carried out systematic provocations in Cyprus in order to prepare the conditions for the 1974 coup. To prepare for the occupation of Cyprus, teams directed by Hiram Abbas and the Special Warfare Department established themselves in Beirut, from where they could organise activities in Cyprus. The Cyprus invasion was organised by the then chief of the Special Warfare Department Kemal Yemek. Cyprus was the first serious test for the Turkish contra-guerrillas. After 1980 Kurdistan took the place of Cyprus in this respect."

This is from a Kurd publication and I have not been successful in confirming this with other sources. Is anyone able to shed some light on this unit's operations in CY?

Which is Why Zon I have asked for help in confirming it -



oops sorry almost forgot - PLONKER !

You definitely need help GR...That is for sure.....Perhaps I was also mistaking your intention here....I think not....

That's right ...you think, not!

I think, therefore you damned!!!!!