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[zan]

Why am I not surprised that you resort to hysterical lies? You flippantly make statements which you fail to back up T_C .... so kindly don't complain if others follow these up and then you are found wanting!

Where have I been dismissive? .. I firmly expressed this was not something I minimise if you look back over the pages of this debate.

As far as my bringing this up ... again another of your lies.

On page 1 of this thread the first poster to bring this up was ....

... the reports of the Tokhni/ Dohni/Tashkent women who were all raped ...

He provided no links or references.

You're too much...

No! .... Much better is if I carry on believing no TC women were raped by GCs because I can find no evidence for it, and no Turk-TC has come up with any evidence , and now you are doubting the one case I did manage to find.

So fine! ... have it your way!

I hereby withdraw my Telegraph /Sevgal quote as rubbish, and accept there are ZERO credible reports of TC women being raped by GCs during the invasion or because of the Invasion.

And you continue with your lies ...

That was in direct and sarcastic response to Zan disapproving of the need for evidence. If you can comprehend, that is quite clearly a negation of ignoring the evidence in preference for ignorance. Too subtle for you, huh!

This is what I said to Zan prior to that ...

Zan ... I'm not minimising any of this ... but that was the only highly credible source I could find on this matter, and that's what it quotes!

hey! Oracle...was that little snippet the only bit you read from Sevguls book......I'm guessing OXI........So you just picking that bit and using it as the example of how many TC women were raped was because you wanted to confuse and spread Greek propaganda. You trying to squirm is rubbing salt on the wounds...Your wound dear lady...Gecmis olsun....

[Viewpoint]

What did you expect them to do under the circumstancies?

Well VP, I would expect them to behave like professionals and men of honour, not a bunch of despicable thugs. I would expect them to do what they agreed to do under the Treaty of Guarantee:

CYPRUS-TREATY OF GUARANTEE
Nicosia, 16 August 1960

ARTICLE IV
In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary to ensure observance of those provisions.

In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty.

http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty ... rantee.pdf

I would expect them to preserve the safety and security of ALL Cypriots caught up in the fighting. I would expect them to put down the extremists/coupists and restore order as was their mandate and right as a guarantor.

And most of all I would expect them to do what they were meant to do and then get out of Cyprus.

How about you?

I agree if only the people they were trying to save did not bomb them and capitate soliders then put them on show, all hell broke loose and there are many examples throughout history that in times of war no one is safe. Although pointless death of innocent people is very very regretable should you not be blaming or asking for answers from those that placed you in such a position, hold those responsible who persecuted TCs and wanted to gift away Cyprus to Greece knowing full well the dangers it would behold for TCs, TCs had no choice they had to fight for survival.

As forleaving surely that will happen when we agree a solution and resolve our problems.

[miltiades]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were committed by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasteful is the propaganda used by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOPR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invasion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that pointed to a few days ago that actually states that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

I am sorry that I called you an assassin Miltiades...It is clear now that you are a fool.....You keep quoting your stupid "No TCS were killed between 67/74" as if means anything. How about you add the fact that we weree still under isolation from our own country because you still had not restored our rights under the Zurich agreement. If peace reined for so long a period that why was this status not returned to us and why were we still suffering under your regime. Is it because you knew Turkey would come but waited until a time when she was weak and then you started your assault. Just like that little piece of information I found about you moving troops ready to attack when you thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey??? You are not an assassin Miltiades but a blithering idiot who who is tantamount to a german leading Jews into the gas chambers and then saying it was orders.

I think you are desperately in need of a brain transplant mate !!!
What absolute garbage you post !! From 1963 to 1974 T/Cs were under the iron fist of the Grey Wolves directly imported into Cyprus by Turkey in order to instill the fear of God into the T/Cs. You dismiss the fact that NOT A SINGLE TURKISH CYPRIOT BECAME THE VICTIM OF G/Cs FROM 1967 TO 1974 AS MEANING NOTHING AT ALL !!!!
So , HAVING REALISED THAT I'M NOT AN ASSASIN , I'm now an SS Nazi . Therefore folks please take note the propagandist has lost the plot . A proof if needed that not only is he full of propaganda lies but that everything he states is a lie.
How many T/Cs or G/Cs would agree with you that Miltiades is paramount to a NAZI leading Jews into the gas chambers .
What a PLLLONKER !!

You are a Nazi in the sense that you will lead us to our destruction, but you are right...I am a plonker because I thought I would not have to spoon feed you with every little explanation but it seems I was wrong.



Let me ask you though and if you do not understand please let me know and I will make it more simple for you. Do you believe we should have our rights back under the Zurich agreement...Yes or OXI!!!!!!

Stop being so blatantly stupid. Of course the T/Cs should have every single right given to them under the Zurich agreements , every single one and more , all are Cypriots in my eyes and their rights are equal to mine no less and no more . Would you also agree that the 160 or so thousands of Cypriots who have had their lands and properties taken away from them should be given them back , and do you also agree that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus , your country and mine , should come to an end at the earliest opportunity.
I agree 1 billion percent that the T/Cs are an integral part of the Cypriot community and as such their human rights and the protection of such is pivotal to our democracy. They have as much right as the G/Cs have.
Let me quote a clitche . A man standing on his own has as much human rights as a man standing in a crowd.

[zan]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were committed by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasteful is the propaganda used by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOPR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invasion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that pointed to a few days ago that actually states that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

I am sorry that I called you an assassin Miltiades...It is clear now that you are a fool.....You keep quoting your stupid "No TCS were killed between 67/74" as if means anything. How about you add the fact that we weree still under isolation from our own country because you still had not restored our rights under the Zurich agreement. If peace reined for so long a period that why was this status not returned to us and why were we still suffering under your regime. Is it because you knew Turkey would come but waited until a time when she was weak and then you started your assault. Just like that little piece of information I found about you moving troops ready to attack when you thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey??? You are not an assassin Miltiades but a blithering idiot who who is tantamount to a german leading Jews into the gas chambers and then saying it was orders.

I think you are desperately in need of a brain transplant mate !!!
What absolute garbage you post !! From 1963 to 1974 T/Cs were under the iron fist of the Grey Wolves directly imported into Cyprus by Turkey in order to instill the fear of God into the T/Cs. You dismiss the fact that NOT A SINGLE TURKISH CYPRIOT BECAME THE VICTIM OF G/Cs FROM 1967 TO 1974 AS MEANING NOTHING AT ALL !!!!
So , HAVING REALISED THAT I'M NOT AN ASSASIN , I'm now an SS Nazi . Therefore folks please take note the propagandist has lost the plot . A proof if needed that not only is he full of propaganda lies but that everything he states is a lie.
How many T/Cs or G/Cs would agree with you that Miltiades is paramount to a NAZI leading Jews into the gas chambers .
What a PLLLONKER !!

You are a Nazi in the sense that you will lead us to our destruction, but you are right...I am a plonker because I thought I would not have to spoon feed you with every little explanation but it seems I was wrong.



Let me ask you though and if you do not understand please let me know and I will make it more simple for you. Do you believe we should have our rights back under the Zurich agreement...Yes or OXI!!!!!!

Stop being so blatantly stupid. Of course the T/Cs should have every single right given to them under the Zurich agreements , every single one and more , all are Cypriots in my eyes and their rights are equal to mine no less and no more . Would you also agree that the 160 or so thousands of Cypriots who have had their lands and properties taken away from them should be given them back , and do you also agree that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus , your country and mine , should come to an end at the earliest opportunity.
I agree 1 billion percent that the T/Cs are an integral part of the Cypriot community and as such their human rights and the protection of such is pivotal to our democracy. They have as much right as the G/Cs have.
Let me quote a clitche . A man standing on his own has as much human rights as a man standing in a crowd.

Great! then you are in favour of Turkey being a guarantor power. You must therefore agree that we are allowed back into our rightful place in government.

I have to admit that the property issue is still a problem to me. I do agree that they should be fully compensated, without the need for the greedy sums asked for, because I do not think a mass movement of people is fair to anyone.

[denizaksulu]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were committed by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasteful is the propaganda used by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOPR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invasion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that pointed to a few days ago that actually states that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

I am sorry that I called you an assassin Miltiades...It is clear now that you are a fool.....You keep quoting your stupid "No TCS were killed between 67/74" as if means anything. How about you add the fact that we weree still under isolation from our own country because you still had not restored our rights under the Zurich agreement. If peace reined for so long a period that why was this status not returned to us and why were we still suffering under your regime. Is it because you knew Turkey would come but waited until a time when she was weak and then you started your assault. Just like that little piece of information I found about you moving troops ready to attack when you thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey??? You are not an assassin Miltiades but a blithering idiot who who is tantamount to a german leading Jews into the gas chambers and then saying it was orders.

I think you are desperately in need of a brain transplant mate !!!
What absolute garbage you post !! From 1963 to 1974 T/Cs were under the iron fist of the Grey Wolves directly imported into Cyprus by Turkey in order to instill the fear of God into the T/Cs. You dismiss the fact that NOT A SINGLE TURKISH CYPRIOT BECAME THE VICTIM OF G/Cs FROM 1967 TO 1974 AS MEANING NOTHING AT ALL !!!!
So , HAVING REALISED THAT I'M NOT AN ASSASIN , I'm now an SS Nazi . Therefore folks please take note the propagandist has lost the plot . A proof if needed that not only is he full of propaganda lies but that everything he states is a lie.
How many T/Cs or G/Cs would agree with you that Miltiades is paramount to a NAZI leading Jews into the gas chambers .
What a PLLLONKER !!

You are a Nazi in the sense that you will lead us to our destruction, but you are right...I am a plonker because I thought I would not have to spoon feed you with every little explanation but it seems I was wrong.



Let me ask you though and if you do not understand please let me know and I will make it more simple for you. Do you believe we should have our rights back under the Zurich agreement...Yes or OXI!!!!!!

Stop being so blatantly stupid. Of course the T/Cs should have every single right given to them under the Zurich agreements , every single one and more , all are Cypriots in my eyes and their rights are equal to mine no less and no more . Would you also agree that the 160 or so thousands of Cypriots who have had their lands and properties taken away from them should be given them back , and do you also agree that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus , your country and mine , should come to an end at the earliest opportunity.
I agree 1 billion percent that the T/Cs are an integral part of the Cypriot community and as such their human rights and the protection of such is pivotal to our democracy. They have as much right as the G/Cs have.
Let me quote a clitche . A man standing on his own has as much human rights as a man standing in a crowd.

Great! then you are in favour of Turkey being a guarantor power. You must therefore agree that we are allowed back into our rightful place in government.

I have to admit that the property issue is still a problem to me. I do agree that they should be fully compensated, without the need for the greedy sums asked for, because I do not think a mass movement of people is fair to anyone.

Is this the beginning of the end chapter of this war of words. Are we watching with glee a convergence of ideas between two very prolific authors on this forum. I cant wait. Another great try by Zan with another heave by Milti, we will have PEACE at last. Christofias and Talat please take note.

[zan]

We shall see Deniz

[miltiades]

We shall see Deniz

My ideas have not changed one iota , they have been consistent all along.
The difference here is that I do not for one second agree that Turkey , the nation that 80% of Cypriots consider to be the invader of their nation , can possibly be a guarantor . There are other International forces the EU for one that would be acceptable to all parties since on arriving at a solution the T/Cs will have a voice at the EU .
We must make progress and move away from the highly contagious and highly inflammatory connections with Turkey and Greece, after all these are the two nations that divide our people. We can move on for as long as one or the other side do not demand direct interference from the two "cancers" of Cyprus.
As far you Zan I think is time to concentrate on building bridges of trust for our people not installing mines . I have posted more than 6 thousand posts , not once have I spewed hatred against our people , only against the fanatics who are entirely responsible for the pain and suffering of our people.Try doing the same mate.

[miltiades]

May I also emphasize quite vociferously. Turkey will never be accepted by the overwhelming majority of Cypriots as a guarantor power. I'm a moderate who believes in this entirely , how do you think the less than moderate Cypriot will react with Turkey as a guarantor .NO WAY .

[halil]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were committed by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasteful is the propaganda used by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOPR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invasion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that pointed to a few days ago that actually states that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

I am sorry that I called you an assassin Miltiades...It is clear now that you are a fool.....You keep quoting your stupid "No TCS were killed between 67/74" as if means anything. How about you add the fact that we weree still under isolation from our own country because you still had not restored our rights under the Zurich agreement. If peace reined for so long a period that why was this status not returned to us and why were we still suffering under your regime. Is it because you knew Turkey would come but waited until a time when she was weak and then you started your assault. Just like that little piece of information I found about you moving troops ready to attack when you thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey??? You are not an assassin Miltiades but a blithering idiot who who is tantamount to a german leading Jews into the gas chambers and then saying it was orders.

I think you are desperately in need of a brain transplant mate !!!
What absolute garbage you post !! From 1963 to 1974 T/Cs were under the iron fist of the Grey Wolves directly imported into Cyprus by Turkey in order to instill the fear of God into the T/Cs. You dismiss the fact that NOT A SINGLE TURKISH CYPRIOT BECAME THE VICTIM OF G/Cs FROM 1967 TO 1974 AS MEANING NOTHING AT ALL !!!!
So , HAVING REALISED THAT I'M NOT AN ASSASIN , I'm now an SS Nazi . Therefore folks please take note the propagandist has lost the plot . A proof if needed that not only is he full of propaganda lies but that everything he states is a lie.
How many T/Cs or G/Cs would agree with you that Miltiades is paramount to a NAZI leading Jews into the gas chambers .
What a PLLLONKER !!

You are a Nazi in the sense that you will lead us to our destruction, but you are right...I am a plonker because I thought I would not have to spoon feed you with every little explanation but it seems I was wrong.



Let me ask you though and if you do not understand please let me know and I will make it more simple for you. Do you believe we should have our rights back under the Zurich agreement...Yes or OXI!!!!!!

Stop being so blatantly stupid. Of course the T/Cs should have every single right given to them under the Zurich agreements , every single one and more , all are Cypriots in my eyes and their rights are equal to mine no less and no more . Would you also agree that the 160 or so thousands of Cypriots who have had their lands and properties taken away from them should be given them back , and do you also agree that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus , your country and mine , should come to an end at the earliest opportunity.
I agree 1 billion percent that the T/Cs are an integral part of the Cypriot community and as such their human rights and the protection of such is pivotal to our democracy. They have as much right as the G/Cs have.
Let me quote a clitche . A man standing on his own has as much human rights as a man standing in a crowd.

Great! then you are in favour of Turkey being a guarantor power. You must therefore agree that we are allowed back into our rightful place in government.

I have to admit that the property issue is still a problem to me. I do agree that they should be fully compensated, without the need for the greedy sums asked for, because I do not think a mass movement of people is fair to anyone.

Is this the beginning of the end chapter of this war of words. Are we watching with glee a convergence of ideas between two very prolific authors on this forum. I cant wait. Another great try by Zan with another heave by Milti, we will have PEACE at last. Christofias and Talat please take note.

Dear friend Miltiades , few munites ago Talks are started in Cyprus ....We must talk peace .... it is true as Deniz is pointing out but I felt to make some correction for your comments .
It is not true that between 67-74 not single TC were harmed or get killed.

looks like you have forgetten

In mid-November 1967 notorious terrorist leader Gen. Georgios Grivas, who had been appointed by Makarios as the supreme commander of the Greek forces and sent clandestinely to the island by the Greek government and Greek Cypriot Armed Forces, launched an attack with the Greek Cypriot National Guard and the Greek militia forces on the Turkish Cypriot village of Kophinou (Geçitkale) and the Turkish inhabitants of the neighboring village of Ayinos Theodoros (Boğaziçi) in the Larnaca district. After hours of combat, close to dusk, 28 Turks were murdered and scores of others were wounded. Turkish homes were ransacked, looted and deliberately set on fire. Some of the wounded Turkish Cypriots had kerosene poured over them and were then set on fire.

Dear friend miltiades they are in past now ,sometimes things are annoys me trying to show the things differently or not giving enough information .

when those people reads from those villages they gets angry too .... look how they are lying how they are ignoring us they says .... I am here Miltiades , İ live in Cyprus and i can understand how sensible our people .

you see in two months time November will come ,there will be memorandum they for those people who lost their life in Gecitkale and Boğaziçi .

Lets hope goods things will come out from the talks today .Talks are showing live today from our TV. I will be very bussy today .....

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We shall see Deniz

My ideas have not changed one iota , they have been consistent all along.
The difference here is that I do not for one second agree that Turkey , the nation that 80% of Cypriots consider to be the invader of their nation , can possibly be a guarantor . There are other International forces the EU for one that would be acceptable to all parties since on arriving at a solution the T/Cs will have a voice at the EU .
We must make progress and move away from the highly contagious and highly inflammatory connections with Turkey and Greece, after all these are the two nations that divide our people. We can move on for as long as one or the other side do not demand direct interference from the two "cancers" of Cyprus.
As far you Zan I think is time to concentrate on building bridges of trust for our people not installing mines . I have posted more than 6 thousand posts , not once have I spewed hatred against our people , only against the fanatics who are entirely responsible for the pain and suffering of our people.Try doing the same mate.

First of all...Lets get this straight...You have made a statement about allowing my rights under the Zurich agreement but then added and "more" to the sentence....You need to be more specific. Do you want the Zurich agreement or are you telling me what you have been consistent in saying in that you think the EU laws is what you are talking about. You have no real intention of going back to the Zurich agreement. In my eyes you are just picking your words...Am I right?


You have and are constantly spewing out hatred towards my motherland. I can understand why you hate Greece after what they did but Turkey came and saved my aunts and cousins from certain death so I have respect for what they did. Perhaps more people on the island should show the same respect and understand circumstances but hey ho! What I intend to do is give you a more balanced understanding of the world and your bigoted view of all things Turkish or Muslim. You are no different to all those here that think that they can make themselves look better by running others down. Kikapu seems to suffer from the same affliction but does not know or accept what is going on on his own doorstep. How you can then not show some humility and accept what has happened in Cyprus and how we look to the rest of the world is beyond me. You have proved yourself once again by going on about the majority in Cyprus ruling the island but do not accept that special conditions have to be made because of the way things are in Cyprus.....What we are telling you is you are not going to get it all your own way. Turkey is needed by us in our hearts and in our minds.