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[Oracle]

Im angry because I know people who have suffered these things. What do you want me to do? Go take pictures of them? Record them on camera? Go and ask them to tell me their story so I can post it on the Cyprob just so I can score a cheap point against the GCs?

We dont need to show you evidence of anything, since its of no use trying to reason with people like you. You'll only try and excuse them or discredit them in one way or another like you do with everything the Greeks did....so continue believing what you wish...

T_C, with respect, would you please clarify the timeframe you are referring to? Did these events happen during the 1974 invasion or at another time?

I don't doubt that there were some TC civilians that suffered during the Turkish invasion (you can't drop a bomb on a mixed village and expect to only hit GCs) and I have done my best to raise the issue throughout this topic, but it hasn't really been taken up as a discussion point.

I am doing my best to make this topic less about 'scoring points' and throwing insults and more about seriously examining the way the Turkish army behaved during the invasion and after the ceasefire (see the Times article posted by Bill Cobbett) and how people feel about their behaviour.

Some views seem to indicate that the GC civilians deserved the atrocities as a revenge for wrongdoings committed against TCs. Do two 'wrongs' make a 'right'? And can a professional army on a 'peace operation' ever truly justify such behaviour against civilians?

No Magnus these things happened way before 74, when TCs were being chased from their homes. NOTHING excuses this barbaric act and 2 wrongs most certainly dont make a right...I have NEVER said that.

But the fact is that most muslims (practicing or not) would never dare talk about being raped.

And if its soooo barbaric and Oracle feels so strongly about something like rape then WHY would she resort to dismissing the TCs that went through the same just because people didnt go on camera talking of their ordeal?? She should of kept her mouth shut..it was her who brought up the TCs, talking about how she only found one case of rape. What was she trying to do but score points??

Thats all shes ever done on the forum anyways, anything to discredit TCs...even in spite of evidece of the contrary. And to top it off she tries to make out like she was doing us a favour.

What kind of Cypriot is that?

Why am I not surprised that you resort to hysterical lies? You flippantly make statements which you fail to back up T_C .... so kindly don't complain if others follow these up and then you are found wanting!

Where have I been dismissive? .. I firmly expressed this was not something I minimise if you look back over the pages of this debate.

As far as my bringing this up ... again another of your lies.

On page 1 of this thread the first poster to bring this up was ....

... the reports of the Tokhni/ Dohni/Tashkent women who were all raped ...

He provided no links or references.

[T_C]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

[T_C]

By Sevgül Uludağ

Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot victims of rape:


The invisible pain and trauma that’s kept `hidden`…





It was Maria Hadjipavlou at first, who had told me about rapes during the wartime…

As a young journalist, back in 1974, she had gone to a refugee camp, where she saw a young girl, running round and round, outside the camp, crying hard because she was not allowed to go in… It was a sad story: The married Greek Cypriot women at the refugee camp had kicked her out of the camp because she had been raped by some Turkish soldiers and they were `afraid` that `she would sleep with their husbands!`

It showed how society could not swallow `rapes` and instead of extending an understanding hand to the victims of rape, they would push them away or at least trying to `hide it`…

The raped girl or woman would get no understanding from society – they would be pushed away to suffer alone, the trauma they had gone through… I had heard similar stories later, when I was doing research about T.. Some Greek Cypriots from T. had `selected` some young Turkish Cypriot girls to rape… They were about 5 or 6 or maybe more… One of the young girls had been engaged to a young boy from the village… But just because she had been raped, later the young boy would dissolve the engagement and would refuse to marry her…

Other stories came and found me, as I was learning about the `untold stories` of our island… One story stood out: Paraschos had told me that the most traumatizing story he had ever heard was of the rape of a Greek Cypriot woman together with her daughter.


She had told the soldiers: `Please don’t rape her! I will take all of you! Just please, let her go… Please…`

Rapes are `very sensitive cases` in Cyprus, in both communities so they are kept locked up, in the cupboards full of skeletons. They should not ever see daylight because our societies would single out the raped women, even though they had no role to play in this violence. Did they want to be raped? Of course not! But still, our sick societies would show no empathy and no sympathy to the raped women and some of them have gone crazy – they have to suffer alone because they cannot find any understanding at all from anyone…

When I wrote about the rape at A. village I had got a very strong reaction from some families. Some Greek Cypriots had gone to A. and taking with them some very young Maronite Cypriots, they had gone to rape a 13 year old Turkish Cypriot girl. This would be the cause of the split among the village – the Turkish Cypriots would leave the village and go to other villages – some families would be split. There were intermarriages among Maronite Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots but the rape of a Turkish Cypriot girl, would destroy the relationship amongst them back in 1964…

And when I wrote about this rape, some Turkish Cypriots had strongly reacted: `Why do you write this? It is not true…`

`But I know it is…`

`Even if it is true, you shouldn’t write about it…` they had said… The pain and `the shame` were still there – `the shame` should be with those who had raped the girl but society did not think so… After more than 40 years, we still could not discuss `rapes` openly…

I had written about the rapes at Assia (Pashakoy) and Afania (Gazikoy) villages, as well as at the Voni camp but now recently, as I was writing about the rapes in the Karpaz area, accidentally I had found out about the rapes in Limassol.

A Turkish Cypriot woman was whispering this to me over the phone:

`You know, when they took the Turkish Cypriot men as prisoners of war back in 1974 in Limassol, some Greek Cypriots were raping some very young girls… They would take them and rape them and then bring them home and throw them from the threshold…`

And others whispered to me, the rapes in Karpaz:

`In 1974, in some areas there was systematic rape of very young girls… One of these girls was from A. and was brought to a purely Turkish Cypriot village to be raped. She was barely 13 or 14 and 7 Turkish Cypriots were raping her… But somehow, the Turkish Cypriot police got hold of them and they were brought to court.

In K., an old man was raped. This old Greek Cypriot man was bringing figs and eggs. But a Turkish Cypriot chavushi (police sergeant) lined up all the men present there. And the old man had identified who had raped him… The rapist was from a village around Kyrenia and he was a plumber… Again, in Y., a 13-14 year old girl was raped by some Turkish soldiers. They were officers. They had raped the girl but two of them were caught. Even one of them was beaten up with an electrical truncheon by the commander at Aytotoro village in Karpaz because he had committed this crime…

There were also rapes at G., M. and M. villages. But the worst rapes, as far as we know were at K.. Here 13-14 year old girls had become pregnant because of these rapes. The rapists were the `Death Squad` of the area. These were around 20-30 young Turkish Cypriots. After the war was over, they had selected each a very young girl to rape in Karpaz.

After some time, things had got worse in Karpaz. In G., three young Greek Cypriot girls were raped severely and systematically by some soldiers. Every night they would go to this village to rape these girls… Somehow word got through to the Red Cross and the UN. After this, the village was declared a `military zone` and no one could enter the village – it was closed off, in order to prevent further rapes. Only around 20 Greek Cypriots were living at G.…`

And of course, the worst cases of rape in 1974 were in Maratha-Sandallaris-Aloa (Murataga-Atlilar-Sandallar). EOKA-B teams had raped the women of these three villages, they had raped very young girls and in August 1974, they had started raping young boys as well… While the war was tearing our country apart, they were busy with these rapes – on the 14th of August 1974, they would massacre all the women and children of the three villages, in order not to leave any witnesses behind. They were such horrible people that they even massacred 16 day old babies and buried them in mass graves…

One of my Greek Cypriot friends told me:

`You are naive you know, in every war, they rape women… Women are considered the spoils of war… This is how the men show that they are `conquerors`… And Cyprus has not been any different…`

Yes, I know and it is a very sick society to `swallow` these rapes and try to keep them `hidden`, blaming without words but with its behaviour, the victims of the rapes: the innocent women and girls who have gone through such big traumas… The `ideology` that supports such behaviour can only be condemned if we openly speak about it… So long as we keep it locked as a skeleton in the cupboard, our future would be tarnished with the blood spilled in those rapes…

[miltiades]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were committed by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasteful is the propaganda used by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invasion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that I pointed to a few days ago that actually states that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

[zan]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were commited by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasfelul is the propagandased by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOPR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invsion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that pointed to a few days ago that actually staes that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

I am sorry that I called you an assassin Miltiades...It is clear now that you are a fool.....You keep quoting your stupid "No TCS were killed between 67/74" as if means anything. How about you add the fact that we weree still under isolation from our own country because you still had not restored our rights under the Zurich agreement. If peace reined for so long a period that why was this status not returned to us and why were we still suffering under your regime. Is it because you knew Turkey would come but waited until a time when she was weak and then you started your assault. Just like that little piece of information I found about you moving troops ready to attack when you thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey??? You are not an assassin Miltiades but a blithering idiot who who is tantamount to a german leading Jews into the gas chambers and then saying it was orders.

[T_C]

Why am I not surprised that you resort to hysterical lies? You flippantly make statements which you fail to back up T_C .... so kindly don't complain if others follow these up and then you are found wanting!

Where have I been dismissive? .. I firmly expressed this was not something I minimise if you look back over the pages of this debate.

As far as my bringing this up ... again another of your lies.

On page 1 of this thread the first poster to bring this up was ....

... the reports of the Tokhni/ Dohni/Tashkent women who were all raped ...

He provided no links or references.

You're too much...

No! .... Much better is if I carry on believing no TC women were raped by GCs because I can find no evidence for it, and no Turk-TC has come up with any evidence , and now you are doubting the one case I did manage to find.

So fine! ... have it your way!

I hereby withdraw my Telegraph /Sevgal quote as rubbish, and accept there are ZERO credible reports of TC women being raped by GCs during the invasion or because of the Invasion.

[miltiades]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were committed by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasteful is the propaganda used by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOPR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invasion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that pointed to a few days ago that actually states that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

I am sorry that I called you an assassin Miltiades...It is clear now that you are a fool.....You keep quoting your stupid "No TCS were killed between 67/74" as if means anything. How about you add the fact that we weree still under isolation from our own country because you still had not restored our rights under the Zurich agreement. If peace reined for so long a period that why was this status not returned to us and why were we still suffering under your regime. Is it because you knew Turkey would come but waited until a time when she was weak and then you started your assault. Just like that little piece of information I found about you moving troops ready to attack when you thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey??? You are not an assassin Miltiades but a blithering idiot who who is tantamount to a german leading Jews into the gas chambers and then saying it was orders.

I think you are desperately in need of a brain transplant mate !!!
What absolute garbage you post !! From 1963 to 1974 T/Cs were under the iron fist of the Grey Wolves directly imported into Cyprus by Turkey in order to instill the fear of God into the T/Cs. You dismiss the fact that NOT A SINGLE TURKISH CYPRIOT BECAME THE VICTIM OF G/Cs FROM 1967 TO 1974 AS MEANING NOTHING AT ALL !!!!
So , HAVING REALISED THAT I'M NOT AN ASSASIN , I'm now an SS Nazi . Therefore folks please take note the propagandist has lost the plot . A proof if needed that not only is he full of propaganda lies but that everything he states is a lie.
How many T/Cs or G/Cs would agree with you that Miltiades is paramount to a NAZI leading Jews into the gas chambers .
What a PLLLONKER !!

[zan]

A former member of a Greek Cypriot underground group defending the unification of the island with Greece has confessed in remarks to the media that the group, along with Greek Cypriot soldiers, had raped women and killed men of a Turkish Cypriot village during a campaign of attacks on the Turkish population of Cyprus three decades ago.

The group, the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (EOKA), launched attacks on Turkish Cypriots during the 1960s and early 1970s in a violent campaign aimed at enosis, or unification of Cyprus with Greece. Andreas Dimitriu, a 67 year-old Greek Cypriot who was a member of EOKA-B, an offshoot of EOKA, during the period of ethnic violence on the island, confessed in a media interview that he had helped to gather men of the Turkish Cypriot village of Tohni (Taşkent) in a coffee house.

The men were later taken away by EOKA-B members entering the village, and all but one male Turkish Cypriot had been killed, Dimitriu told Greek Cypriot newspaper Alithia on Sunday.

He, however, said that he was unaware that the Turkish Cypriot men were to be killed and that he learned their fate a few days afterward.

Turkish Cypriot women of the village were then raped by Greek Cypriot soldiers seeking revenge on Turkish Cypriots, he also said.

“Such things were happening at that time. What did we do that was different from what was going on all over Cyprus?” he asked.

The confessions came after a Turkish Cypriot woman who had survived the Greek Cypriot violence in Taşkent village identified Dimitriu during an earlier interview with the same newspaper as the person who had taken away her father.

Her father was among those killed by EOKA-B members in the village.

Dimitriu said he had thought the men rounded up in the village's coffee house would be held captive in order to get some Greek Cypriots held by Turkish Cypriots released and said that he had no idea that these men were to be killed.

“We were given the instruction to round up all the men capable of fighting to be used for the exchange of Greek Cypriot captives. We did whatever we did together with the legal forces of the state,” Dimitriu said.

Denktaş: Confessions are striking

Turkish Cypriot President Rauf Denktaş described Dimitriu's remarks as “highly striking” and added that it was a positive development that Greek Cypriots have started talking about the past.

Denktaş also said Greek Cypriots should apologize to Turkish Cypriots for the events of 1963-1974.

Turkey intervened in Cyprus in 1974 to end attacks on Turkish Cypriots as part of the bloody enosis campaign of the era, backed by the then ruling military junta in Greece.

TC , I would agree that horrendous acts were committed by extremists under the banner of EOKA B . Victims were not only T/Cs but also G/Cs. What I find totaly distasteful is the propaganda used by Turkey to justify its invasion of Cyprus. NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS WERE KILLED 7 YEARS PRIOPR TO THE TURKISH INVASION. This is a FACT .There is NO EVIDENCE that from 1966 to the invasion date of 1974 to suggest that any T/Cs lost their lives as a result of actions by G/Cs.
There is a propaganda side that pointed to a few days ago that actually states that the T/Cs wre butchered and massacred by G/Cs with the help of Greece from , wait for it , 1912 !!!!.
One such propagandist is Zan who shares all attributes that these semi illiterate propagandists have. Zan believes that I'm an ASSASSIN. This mentality is shared by all who fall under the spell of hateful propaganda.
The truth of the matter is that the first victims of the Inter communal turmoil were G/Cs in 1958 , there followed isolated conflict until the early 60s when extremists were in charge with impunity on both sides. Sevgul's book " Oysters with the missing pearls " is an admirable contribution to the understanding of what went on both in the early 60s and during the Turkish invasion.
All evidence points conclusively that the horrific acts committed by both sides were as a result of extremism and hatred.

I am sorry that I called you an assassin Miltiades...It is clear now that you are a fool.....You keep quoting your stupid "No TCS were killed between 67/74" as if means anything. How about you add the fact that we weree still under isolation from our own country because you still had not restored our rights under the Zurich agreement. If peace reined for so long a period that why was this status not returned to us and why were we still suffering under your regime. Is it because you knew Turkey would come but waited until a time when she was weak and then you started your assault. Just like that little piece of information I found about you moving troops ready to attack when you thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey??? You are not an assassin Miltiades but a blithering idiot who who is tantamount to a german leading Jews into the gas chambers and then saying it was orders.

I think you are desperately in need of a brain transplant mate !!!
What absolute garbage you post !! From 1963 to 1974 T/Cs were under the iron fist of the Grey Wolves directly imported into Cyprus by Turkey in order to instill the fear of God into the T/Cs. You dismiss the fact that NOT A SINGLE TURKISH CYPRIOT BECAME THE VICTIM OF G/Cs FROM 1967 TO 1974 AS MEANING NOTHING AT ALL !!!!
So , HAVING REALISED THAT I'M NOT AN ASSASIN , I'm now an SS Nazi . Therefore folks please take note the propagandist has lost the plot . A proof if needed that not only is he full of propaganda lies but that everything he states is a lie.
How many T/Cs or G/Cs would agree with you that Miltiades is paramount to a NAZI leading Jews into the gas chambers .
What a PLLLONKER !!

You are a Nazi in the sense that you will lead us to our destruction, but you are right...I am a plonker because I thought I would not have to spoon feed you with every little explanation but it seems I was wrong.



Let me ask you though and if you do not understand please let me know and I will make it more simple for you. Do you believe we should have our rights back under the Zurich agreement...Yes or OXI!!!!!!

[ttoli]

I often wonder about those who say the Cyprus problem started after the Turkish intervention in 1974. This depiction is just a fairy tale and is often used to mislead people with minimal knowledge of the issue. I am also perplexed by those who say there are no embargoes on the Turkish Cypriots. UN resolutions -- particularly No. 541 dated Nov. 18, 1983 -- restrict all kinds of international relations for the Turkish Cypriots, from direct flights to communication, from education to cultural, in all aspects of civilized life.
Since that date the Turkish Cypriots and their unilaterally declared state, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC), have been considered legally invalid by UN member states, with Turkish Cypriots suffering under unjust political, economic, cultural, social, sporting and trade embargoes.

Of course this was not the first time Turkish Cypriots were squeezed by embargoes for concessions from their freedoms and lives.

From Dec. 22, 1963 to July 20, 1974 -- 11 long years -- Turkish Cypriots were confined to an “open-air prison” by the Greek Cyprus government headed by Makarios: They were allowed no freedom of movement, no property or education rights and no normal life. No jobs, no money, no medicine, no milk, no water and no future.

On top of this inhumane treatment, from March 1, 1965 to July 20, 1974, the following so-called “strategic materials” were also banned by the Greek Cyprus government from delivery to the open-air prison.

The following list is copied from official documents of the Greek Cyprus government, published on March 1, 1965:

“List of materials the import of which into Turkish Cypriot areas is prohibited”

The Cyprus Government has stated that the items listed below are considered to be restricted with effect 1 March 1965. The list may be changed at any time the Government of Cyprus wishes to do so. This list supersedes all previous lists issued.

Serial Item
Iron poles (angle-iron, pickets);
Iron rods and thick steel plates;
Timber;
Crushed metal,
stone, sand, gravel; Barbed wire;
Wire;
Camouflage netting;
Cables;
Wire cutters;
Mine detectors;
Power exploders;
Wireless sets (Police or military pattern) Domestic Radios excluded;
Telephones;
Cartridges for shot guns;
Explosives (TNT, gelatin, dynamite etc.);
Detonators; Sulphur; Ammonium nitrate;
Steel Wool;
Fuel in large quantities;
Automobile spare parts;
Tires;
Accumulators and dry batteries;
Circuit testers;
Fire fighting equipment;
Bags (Sacks, canvas, jute or linen types.);
Boots, boot studs, leather laces;
Rubber soles; Khaki cloth;
Leather jackets; Gloves;
Socks (Woolen and/or cotton and/or any mixture thereof. Excluding ankle socks; Mackintoshes (including plastic raincoats);
Woolen materials (including knitting wool);
Imported coal (type used in blacksmiths’ forge);
Thermos flasks;
Plastic pipes;
Milk, for babies and adults.”

If you still think that the Cyprus problem began with the Turkish intervention on July 20, 1974, rest assured that it is a fantasy superior to “The Lord of the Rings.”

[Oracle]

Why am I not surprised that you resort to hysterical lies? You flippantly make statements which you fail to back up T_C .... so kindly don't complain if others follow these up and then you are found wanting!

Where have I been dismissive? .. I firmly expressed this was not something I minimise if you look back over the pages of this debate.

As far as my bringing this up ... again another of your lies.

On page 1 of this thread the first poster to bring this up was ....

... the reports of the Tokhni/ Dohni/Tashkent women who were all raped ...

He provided no links or references.

You're too much...

No! .... Much better is if I carry on believing no TC women were raped by GCs because I can find no evidence for it, and no Turk-TC has come up with any evidence , and now you are doubting the one case I did manage to find.

So fine! ... have it your way!

I hereby withdraw my Telegraph /Sevgal quote as rubbish, and accept there are ZERO credible reports of TC women being raped by GCs during the invasion or because of the Invasion.

And you continue with your lies ...

That was in direct and sarcastic response to Zan disapproving of the need for evidence. If you can comprehend, that is quite clearly a negation of ignoring the evidence in preference for ignorance. Too subtle for you, huh!

This is what I said to Zan prior to that ...

Zan ... I'm not minimising any of this ... but that was the only highly credible source I could find on this matter, and that's what it quotes!