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Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:44 am

miltiades wrote:EVENTS AS PER WARS OF THE WORLD.
I beleive that few of us would dispute the following sequence of events and ever fewer will dispute the fact that had it not been for the Junta ordering the coup , and had Makarios not underestimated the stupidity of the Junta , Turkey would not have invaded. I have always maintained that the catastrophe that developed was as a result of the Greek Junta and I shall always hold them and their fascist ideas responsible , contrary to popular folklore that America was to blame.
During the spring of 1974, Cypriot intelligence found evidence that EOKA B was planning a coup and was being supplied, controlled, and funded by the military government in Athens. EOKA B was banned, but its operations continued underground. Early in July, Makarios wrote to the president of Greece demanding that the remaining 650 Greek officers assigned to the National Guard be withdrawn. He also accused the junta of plotting against his life and against the government of Cyprus. Makarios sent his letter (which was released to the public) to the Greek president on July 2, 1974; the reply came thirteen days later, not in the form of a letter but in an order from Athens to the Cypriot National Guard to overthrow its commander in chief and take control of the island.

Makarios narrowly escaped death in the attack by the Greek-led National Guard. He fled the presidential palace and went to Paphos. A British helicopter took him the Sovereign Base Area at Akrotiri, from where he went to London. Several days later, Makarios addressed a meeting of the UN Security Council, where he was accepted as the legal president of the Republic of Cyprus.

In the meantime, the notorious EOKA terrorist Nicos Sampson was declared provisional president of the new government. It was obvious to Ankara that Athens was behind the coup, and major elements of the Turkish armed forces went on alert. Turkey had made similar moves in 1964 and 1967, but had not invaded. At the same time, Turkish prime minister Bülent Ecevit flew to London to elicit British aid in a joint effort in Cyprus, as called for in the 1959 Treaty of Guarantee, but the British were either unwilling or unprepared and declined to take action as a guarantor power. The United States took no action to bolster the Makarios government, but Joseph J. Sisco, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, went to London and the eastern Mediterranean to stave off the impending Turkish invasion and the war between Greece and Turkey that might follow. The Turks demanded removal of Nicos Sampson and the Greek officers from the National Guard and a binding guarantee of Cypriot independence. Sampson, of course, was expendable to the Athens regime, but Sisco could get an agreement only to reassign the 650 Greek officers.

As Sisco negotiated in Athens, Turkish invasion ships were already at sea. A last-minute reversal might have been possible had the Greeks made concessions, but they did not. The intervention began early on July 20, 1974. Three days later the Greek junta collapsed in Athens, Sampson resigned in Nicosia, and the threat of war between NATO allies was over, but the Turkish army was on Cyprus.

Konstantinos Karamanlis, in self-imposed exile in France since 1963, was called back, to head the Greek government once more. Clerides was sworn in as acting president of the Republic of Cyprus, and the foreign ministers of the guarantor powers met in Geneva on July 25 to discuss the military situation on the island. Prime Minister Ecevit publicly welcomed the change of government in Greece and seemed genuinely interested in eliminating the tensions that had brought the two countries so close to war. Nevertheless, during the truce that was arranged, Turkish forces continued to take territory, to improve their positions, and to build up their supplies of war matériel.

A second conference in Geneva began on August 10, with Clerides and Denktas as the Cypriot representatives. Denktas proposed a bizonal federation, with Turkish Cypriots controlling 34 percent of island. When this proposal was rejected, the Turkish foreign minister proposed a Turkish Cypriot zone in the northern part of the island and five Turkish Cypriot enclaves elsewhere, all of which would amount once again to 34 percent of the island's area. Clerides asked for a recess of thirty-six to forty-eight hours to consult with the government in Nicosia and with Makarios in London. His request was refused, and early on August 14 the second phase of the Turkish intervention began. Two days later, after having seized 37 percent of the island above what the Turks called the "Atilla Line," the line that ran from Morphou Bay in the northwest to Famagusta (Gazimagusa) in the east, the Turks ordered a ceasefire.

The de facto partition of Cyprus resulting from the Turkish invasion, or intervention, as the Turks preferred to call their military action, caused much suffering in addition to the thousands of dead, many of whom were unaccounted for even years later. An estimated one-third of the population of each ethnic community had to flee their homes. The island's economy was devastated.

Efforts were undertaken immediately to remedy the effects of the catastrophe. Intensive government economic planning and intervention on both sides of the island soon improved living standards and allowed the construction of housing for refugees. Both communities benefited greatly from the expansion of the tourist industry, which brought millions of foreign visitors to the island during the 1980s. The economic success of the Republic of Cyprus was significant enough to seem almost miraculous. Within just a few years, the refugees had housing and were integrated in the bustling economy, and Greek Cypriots enjoyed a West European standard of living. Turkish Cypriots did not do as well, but, working against an international embargo imposed by the Republic of Cyprus and benefiting from extensive Turkish aid, they managed to ensure a decent standard of living for all members of their community--a standard of living, in fact, that was higher than that of Turkey. Both communities established government agencies to provide public assistance to those who needed it and built modern education systems extending to the university level.


Miltiades,

Please re-evaluate your nonsense.

The Cyprus Tragedy had the following co-conspirators:
1) USA,
2) Greece,
3) Turkey, and
4) A significant portion of Cypriot society (EOKA B).

The ultimate aim of the coup was to facilitate double union of Cyprus with Greece and Turkey. It was engineered by The CIA in order to enslave Cyprus under 2 NATO aligned nations and thus prevent the AKEL influenced Cypriot people from developing closer ties with The Soviet Union. NATO feared the prospect of any Soviet influence in the Eastern Mediterranean, and acted accordingly by destroying Cyprus as a nation.

The GCs and TCs were mere pawns in what was a high stake Cold War battle between The USA and The Soviet Union. In the end, the USA won this battle, by cutting in 2 the island of Cyprus.

You should read "The Cyprus Conspiracy" by Brendan O'Mally.

Now, if you do not mind, please refrain from posting such Bollocks as above. I am way too busy ATM to be dealing with your ignorance as I have tests to prepare for. :roll:

I will be back by Sat.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:49 am

Kifeas wrote:
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Kifeas wrote:Miltiades, how can you call somebody a hate master, when in fact he is an essentially mentally castrated individual?


And Oracle told us that she wanted to be like you and post only quality posts.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Got any more quality posts Kifeas dear?????Cause every time you actually attempt one you get shot down like the dog you are!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


When did I say I wanted to post like Kifeas? ... I would be condemning my own posts then :shock:

But he does have an enviable turn of phrase :lol:

Perhaps it is you Zan who should be looking to Kifeas as a mentor.


Thanks for the complement, Oracle. I truly appreciate it, although I only wish I could also have been at least half as pleased and happy with most of your ...posts.


You must admit there are definite signs of improvement .... when I can manage to avoid temptation, with so many easy targets around to tease :lol:


To be honest with you, you have turned me off so many times with your near hysterical posts, that for some months now I have almost completely stopped following them, in their entireness. Therefore, I apologize if there was improvement that I haven’t been able to detect. Are you now suggesting that things have improved significantly, and that I should have no problem getting back into reading them?


Yes they have generally improved except for the ones to Zan! :lol: Is there any point in making an effort for him too?

But please do not waste time reading them, they offer nothing in the way of enlightenment for you and besides it will cramp my style significantly if I thought you were scrutinising them again! (I perform better if I think I am not being watched .... ).
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:54 am

Okay, Oracle! Good luck with your very "bright" role as Zan's mirror image in this forum! You two are a perfect match to each other!
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:56 am

Major Packard is a British officer who served during the spring and summer of 1964 with the UN peace keeping force.

Packard has written about his experience and has given TV interviews. His major accomplishments during the conflict were his successes in pacifying rural GC and TC communities and getting them back together again. One day he took US undercretary George Ball around to show him these re united villages. At the end of the tour Ball turned around and told Packard "You dont get, the name of the game here is partition". That was in 1964.

The Greek Junta were bank rollers of the Nixon campaign. They had the impression, we still do not know who encouraged them to adopt it, that the USA was in favor of double union. Dictator Papadopoulos referred to Cyprus as a woman who can have two lovers, an obvious allusion to double union.

To the junta the only obstacle was Makarios. Failing to kill him they were forced to fall back on on the spot contingency plans and the result was the mess of 1974.

If any one doubts US involvement then they must refer to the apology speech made by President Clinton when he visited Greece.
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Postby zan » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:00 am

Kifeas wrote:Okay, Oracle! Good luck with your very "bright" role as Zan's mirror image in this forum! You two are a perfect match to each other!


I was about to say the same about you two with your recent exchanges...I am sure I could hear music.... :shock:
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Postby Oracle » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:03 am

Kifeas wrote:Okay, Oracle! Good luck with your very "bright" role as Zan's mirror image in this forum! You two are a perfect match to each other!


A fine conclusion from someone who just admitted to not reading my posts. Evidence based arguments are thrown asunder for a cheap shot. Perhaps you are losing your "glow" and a look in the mirror may help you too!
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:04 am

Zan wrote:

"So what happened to those killed and raped by the coupists. 10,000 Makarios supporters were to be killed by the cooupists...How many were in fact killed. that is my problem with Greek propaganda"

This is an assinine comment and insulting to those that have relatives lost in 1974. We know who wask killed by whom. Trying to blame the coup for the killing carried out by Turkey in August 1974 is insulting. It is also dumb. The coup was over by July 23. The killing did not start till the Turks landed. Retrieve some BBC and ITN news clips and watch them.
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Postby zan » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:07 am

Nikitas wrote:Zan wrote:

"So what happened to those killed and raped by the coupists. 10,000 Makarios supporters were to be killed by the cooupists...How many were in fact killed. that is my problem with Greek propaganda"

This is an assinine comment and insulting to those that have relatives lost in 1974. We know who wask killed by whom. Trying to blame the coup for the killing carried out by Turkey in August 1974 is insulting. It is also dumb. The coup was over by July 23. The killing did not start till the Turks landed. Retrieve some BBC and ITN news clips and watch them.


Are you serious........Makarios himself told of streets being littered with bodies long before Turkey landed. FFS..... :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Postby miltiades » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:11 am

zan wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Zan wrote:

"So what happened to those killed and raped by the coupists. 10,000 Makarios supporters were to be killed by the cooupists...How many were in fact killed. that is my problem with Greek propaganda"

This is an assinine comment and insulting to those that have relatives lost in 1974. We know who wask killed by whom. Trying to blame the coup for the killing carried out by Turkey in August 1974 is insulting. It is also dumb. The coup was over by July 23. The killing did not start till the Turks landed. Retrieve some BBC and ITN news clips and watch them.


Are you serious........Makarios himself told of streets being littered with bodies long before Turkey landed. FFS..... :roll: :roll: :roll:

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What a load of rubbish !!
I was in Cyprus in 1974 . witnessed the coup , witnessed the Turkish invasion . NOT ONE SINGLE T/C WAS KILLED PRIOR TO THE INVASION.
G/Cs were indeed victims of the coup but in numbers approaching tens not hundreds.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:14 am

"If there was no declaration the what the hell where Greek ships doing there."

This is FUNNY!!!

It was not Greek ships, it was the Turkish destroyer Kocatepe which the Turkish air force sank, killing hundreds of sailors. They also badly damaged two other Turkish ships. Read your sources.

As for sources for the break down of talks in Geneva (not Athens) , it was Ecevit who mentioned that the Greek side was presented with an ultimatum, to accept ceding 33 per cent of the island to the TC community and agree to partition. He said so on many occasions, in paper and TV inerviews. Find them and read them.

The say you learn a lot about people when they have they upper hand. We learned about the Turks. We do not forget. It is now the TCs turn to learn too. And judging from daily reports in the TC press they are getting there.
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