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[denizaksulu]

So no serious comments about this article? Just a couple of sarcastic musings from a pair of morons who don't have the cojones to provide a logical counter-argument backed up by credible evidence?

How about some sort of denial from our resident extremists? Or maybe a bit of false symapthy from the 'non-aligned'? Better yet, why doesn't one of our lovely GC 'moderates' tell me that it's things like those in the article that mean we should sign over half the island to the Turks and rewrite the history books so we can be 'brothers' with them?

Maybe you're all busy flirting with bored housewives and thinking up words for those 'Game' threads.

Get a life Magnusson.

We lived through the terrors of 1963. We saw with our own eyes the results of the atrocities carried out by the likes of you. The evidence has been posted long ago if you cared to search. In GR famous words, carry out your own research and find out. You are all ready to find out anything anti T/TC. Get on yer bike.

This thread is about 1974. If you want to talk about your own issues then make your own thread, but I'll thank you to keep your irrelevant comments and comedy double-act out of mine.

I do not need your thanks, thank you. I have long ignored your racist taunts and let you get on with it. Is it one of the rules of the forum that one can be prevented from responding. I dont think so (from what I have seen).

[Magnus]

So no serious comments about this article? Just a couple of sarcastic musings from a pair of morons who don't have the cojones to provide a logical counter-argument backed up by credible evidence?

How about some sort of denial from our resident extremists? Or maybe a bit of false symapthy from the 'non-aligned'? Better yet, why doesn't one of our lovely GC 'moderates' tell me that it's things like those in the article that mean we should sign over half the island to the Turks and rewrite the history books so we can be 'brothers' with them?

Maybe you're all busy flirting with bored housewives and thinking up words for those 'Game' threads.

Get a life Magnusson.

We lived through the terrors of 1963. We saw with our own eyes the results of the atrocities carried out by the likes of you. The evidence has been posted long ago if you cared to search. In GR famous words, carry out your own research and find out. You are all ready to find out anything anti T/TC. Get on yer bike.

This thread is about 1974. If you want to talk about your own issues then make your own thread, but I'll thank you to keep your irrelevant comments and comedy double-act out of mine.

I do not need your thanks, thank you. I have long ignored your racist taunts and let you get on with it. Is it one of the rules of the forum that one can be prevented from responding. I dont think so (from what I have seen).

Fair enough, let's have some relevant contributions. What do you think about the events described in the article? Do you find them humourous? Disgusting? Do you deny they happened? Are you apathetic? Were you glad when the Turkish army did those things? Come on, I know you're not shy.

[denizaksulu]

So no serious comments about this article? Just a couple of sarcastic musings from a pair of morons who don't have the cojones to provide a logical counter-argument backed up by credible evidence?

How about some sort of denial from our resident extremists? Or maybe a bit of false symapthy from the 'non-aligned'? Better yet, why doesn't one of our lovely GC 'moderates' tell me that it's things like those in the article that mean we should sign over half the island to the Turks and rewrite the history books so we can be 'brothers' with them?

Maybe you're all busy flirting with bored housewives and thinking up words for those 'Game' threads.

Get a life Magnusson.

We lived through the terrors of 1963. We saw with our own eyes the results of the atrocities carried out by the likes of you. The evidence has been posted long ago if you cared to search. In GR famous words, carry out your own research and find out. You are all ready to find out anything anti T/TC. Get on yer bike.

This thread is about 1974. If you want to talk about your own issues then make your own thread, but I'll thank you to keep your irrelevant comments and comedy double-act out of mine.

I do not need your thanks, thank you. I have long ignored your racist taunts and let you get on with it. Is it one of the rules of the forum that one can be prevented from responding. I dont think so (from what I have seen).

Fair enough, let's have some relevant contributions. What do you think about the events described in the article? Do you find them humourous? Disgusting? Do you deny they happened? Are you apathetic? Were you glad when the Turkish army did those things? Come on, I know you're not shy.

Had you bothered to read any of my past posts you would have in inkling where I stand.

After the attempted take over of Cyprus by the Greek junta (read Coup) Very rightly so Turkey intervened after having no success with Britain. I was very apprehensive about the whole thing but saw it as a necessary thing to do. It was welcomed by many, perhaps even by some Greek Cypriots as it put to stop the endless killing spree among the GC and G factions. Whatever happened afterwards was sad. The Turkish army now faced the joint forces of G and GC, coupists and opponents which resulted in the eventual division of the island. I am in no position to deny that the above mentioned attrocities never took place. I abhor all civilian casualties, ransacking and looting of private homes , religious buildings, businesses etc. I have seen many looted churches and cursed those responsible with tears in my eyes. I also do not approve of the 'dispossession of GCs of their properties. Matters should have never come to this.

Now Magnus, you be man enough and admit to the wrong doings of your side - whichever side that is. I am talking about the murders and rapes committed against TCs. Thank you.

[Spanish_spinne]

@Magnus

Excuse me for the off-topic but after I read this:

don't have the cojones to...

I was wondering from where had you picked ut this expression, because it's so Spanish . Never In my trips abroad I had hear this.

Had you been in Spain or you know my language....

[Magnus]

@Magnus

Excuse me for the off-topic but after I read this:

don't have the cojones to...

I was wondering from where had you picked ut this expression, because it's so Spanish . Never In my trips abroad I had hear this.

Had you been in Spain or you know my language....

Hi SS,

I studied Spanish language for about 7 years but unfortunately I have forgotten much of it due to lack of usage. I can still understand some and as you can see certain phrases still remain

[Nikitas]

The point deliberately MISSED here is that this was a trained army, supposedly the best in NATO, which invaded to RESTORE order, to remove the thugs who would do terrible things.

It was THIS army which carried out the atrocities reported by the SUN and other media of the time.

The scale and the ferocity of the post July campaign prove that this was PLANNED and INTENDED inorder to terrorise people into leaving their properties.

NOTHING done in 1963 compares to the scale of the atrocities of 1974. By the time these acts were committed there was NO resistance to the Turkish troops, so they do not even have the excuse of being provoked.

As for the educational system criticisme leveled by Zan, how would that have affected a British tabloid reporter?

[Nikitas]

There is one photograph of a girl in Yialousa, killed after she resisted the rape attempts of the glorious Mehmecik. She bears over a hundred bayonet wounds to her torso.

I happen to know her name and do not want to repeat it, nor post the photo, because it would do nothing but cause anguish to the family. But in my mind that photograph is representative of the Turkish army.

That is the army that the TCs want to remain in Cyprus forever as guarantor of our freedom. Now that is a sick joke.

[Magnus]

Had you bothered to read any of my past posts you would have in inkling where I stand.

After the attempted take over of Cyprus by the Greek junta (read Coup) Very rightly so Turkey intervened after having no success with Britain. I was very apprehensive about the whole thing but saw it as a necessary thing to do. It was welcomed by many, perhaps even by some Greek Cypriots as it put to stop the endless killing spree among the GC and G factions. Whatever happened afterwards was sad. The Turkish army now faced the joint forces of G and GC, coupists and opponents which resulted in the eventual division of the island. I am in no position to deny that the above mentioned attrocities never took place. I abhor all civilian casualties, ransacking and looting of private homes , religious buildings, businesses etc. I have seen many looted churches and cursed those responsible with tears in my eyes. I also do not approve of the 'dispossession of GCs of their properties. Matters should have never come to this.

Now Magnus, you be man enough and admit to the wrong doings of your side - whichever side that is. I am talking about the murders and rapes committed against TCs. Thank you.

At last! An excellent contribution!

First of all, let me say that I completely denounce any and all wrongdoings carried out against any innocent TCs by Greek and GC extremists and self-interested groups. I am not so naive as to think that 'our side' did not contain some very unpleasant individuals as their actions against their fellow GCs are enough to convince me.

Now to bring this back to topic, I am wondering if you (or other TCs on the forum) were aware of the atrocities being carried out by the Turkish army? Surely with some of the villages being of mixed composition, many TCs will have witnessed what happened.

Also, do you know of any reason why the Turkish army did not simply focus on their objective (to restore peace) and just stop the fighting but rather chose to commit such atrocities?

I understand your point about how they 'faced the joint forces of G and GC, coupists and opponents' but I don't understand why they took the time to carry out the attacks on innocent civilians. Also, when they attacked and dropped napalm on villages, how did they know that they wouldn't harm the people they were there to help (TCs)?

[Nikitas]

Magnus,

I reckon you are asking rhetorical questions. When a disciplined army does what the Turkish army did in Cyprus then there are only two conclusions to be drawn:

a) it is not a disciplined army, and its reputation is not justified by events,

or:

b)the acts are deliberate policy and soldiers are encouraged to act criminally

If there is another conclusion let us have it. By the time the Turkish army reached Karpasia there were no GC or Greek soldiers anywhere in the area, there was no evidence of hostile actions against TCs in the area, and yet it was Karpasia which saw the worst atrocities.

These are the people who will remain forever in Cyprus to gurantee our independence. The officers who where juniors- lieutenants and captains- in 1974 are now chiefs of the general staff of Turkey. What a chilling thought!

[Magnus]

Magnus,

I reckon you are asking rhetorical questions. When a disciplined army does what the Turkish army did in Cyprus then there are only two conclusions to be drawn:

a) it is not a disciplined army, and its reputation is not justified by events

b)the acts are deliberate policy and soldiers are encouraged to act criminally

If there is another conclusion let us have it. By the time the Turkish army reached Karpasia there were no GC or Greek soldiers anywhere in the area, there was no evidence of hostile actions against TCs in the area, and yet it was Karpasia which saw the worst atrocities.

These are the people who will remain forever in Cyprus to gurantee our independence. The officers who where juniors- lieutenants and captains- in 1974 are now chiefs of the general staff of Turkey. What a chilling thought!

Hi N, thank you for your excellent points. While I agree with you completely, I think it is only fair to let our TC/Turkish/whoever else friends give us their explainations, opinions and/or justifications of these events. We don't want to be accused of denying them the 'right to reply'.