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[Get Real!]

It won't require enormous amounts of power to push the water through the pipe - gravity will do that,as the reservoir in Turkey is higher than the one in TRNC. Imagine 2 bowls of water connected by a hose. Keep the bowls level and the water will stay level. Raise or lower one bowl and watch the water flow from the upper bowl to the lower bowl.
It ain't rocket science, but it is physics.

This isn’t a garden hose we’re talking about…

I’m not saying it *CAN’T* be done, but I really don’t think it’s that straightforward.

I also can’t help but wonder why a desalination plant wasn’t built instead… maybe Turkey likes the idea of controlling the tap.

[Lordo]

you cant use desalination plant water for irrigation. this water is for both irrigation and drinking water. if she shuts the tap, that will be fine too. after all she has paid for the pipeline. but i suspect it is more profitable to keep it open and sell it.

[repulsewarrior]

ftp://ftp.fao.org/agl/aglw/docs/lwdp5_e.pdf

@Lordo

[Lordo]

no no no rw. come on you should no better. for political, economic and environmental grounds the pipeline is preferred. but see their own conclusion.
== Desalinated brackish waters and seawater are not used worldwide for irrigated
agriculture because of the costs involved. ==

factor in to that the fact that med sea is the most poluted and the salt levels are at least 5 times that of any other sea, it makes it uneconomic. besides which what better way to build relations with your neighbours by trading with them at the advantage for both.

[Nikitas]

Two tankers of 150 000 ton capacity could move the same quantity in 250 days. And it could have been done years ago. But there would not be any "umbilical cord" symbolism to fool the natives.

The timing is crucial. To bring the water before the oil starts to flow. To gain a card to use at some Turkish type bazaar dealing. After all, water is the perceived vital commodity that parched Cypriots are supposed to be yearning for since antiquity, and the only one that cannot be offered by any other suitor for the oil and gas.

Only one detail. We stopped being farmers years ago, today cash is far more attractive than water. Given enough cash you can fill your swimming pool with Evian. No need to deal with blackmailers and racists, which is what "leaders" like Denktash and Erdo have done to the TCs.

[Viewpoint]

Two tankers of 150 000 ton capacity could move the same quantity in 250 days. And it could have been done years ago. But there would not be any "umbilical cord" symbolism to fool the natives.

The timing is crucial. To bring the water before the oil starts to flow. To gain a card to use at some Turkish type bazaar dealing. After all, water is the perceived vital commodity that parched Cypriots are supposed to be yearning for since antiquity, and the only one that cannot be offered by any other suitor for the oil and gas.

Only one detail. We stopped being farmers years ago, today cash is far more attractive than water. Given enough cash you can fill your swimming pool with Evian. No need to deal with blackmailers and racists, which is what "leaders" like Denktash and Erdo have done to the TCs.

Tell that to your leaders and the rest of the world and see what type of a response you will get.

[Nikitas]

THe rest of the world know, which explains the spate of negative articles about Erdo, Davut and his failed foreign policy and the doubts about Turkey's real intentions in the Middle East.

Today, in Kathimerini daily, they confirm that which I poste above re the water being a tool intended to counterbalance the oil and gas of the south. Citing Turkish diplomatic sources the newspaper outlines Davut's plan to use the water either as an exchange for oil and gas or for sale to the GCs. Which makes sense, economically, since the GCs are the bigger market.

What Davut has forgotten in his haste is that once you start processing oil and gas, desalination becomes a free by-product, that is how they do it in the Gulf, he should ask his Qatari allies to give him a demo.

Davut also goes on to state that Turkey cannot be encircled by the Exclusive Economic Zones of others, when it has the most extensive coastline in the Mediterranean. The man is either ingnorant or an outright liar.

The World Resources Institute gives the coastlines for each littoral nation- Greece has 15 147 km, Italy 9 226, Turkey 8 140, the "most extensive coastline..." is another brazen attempt to distort reality, but the players in this game are bigger than him and he will have to accept reality. And once more Turkey rejects the International Law of the Sea and instead wants to settle the issue via bilateral agreements. I want to see the agreement with the USA where the Turks will specify that the territorial waters they accept are six miles and not the 12 miles claime by the USA under the Law of the Sea convention.

In short, Davut, despite his "strategic depth" theories, is an old style bazaar clown of Ottoman vintage. None of his policies have succeded and neither will the one with the water.

[Lordo]

nigitagi hang on a minute, did greece not transport water in a tanker to cyprus a few years back. what condition was it in when it arrived any idea.

your worries are the ties the tcs have got with terkey. well you continue with your stupidity and see how strong they become each day that passes by.

[Viewpoint]

THe rest of the world know, which explains the spate of negative articles about Erdo, Davut and his failed foreign policy and the doubts about Turkey's real intentions in the Middle East.

Today, in Kathimerini daily, they confirm that which I poste above re the water being a tool intended to counterbalance the oil and gas of the south. Citing Turkish diplomatic sources the newspaper outlines Davut's plan to use the water either as an exchange for oil and gas or for sale to the GCs. Which makes sense, economically, since the GCs are the bigger market.

What Davut has forgotten in his haste is that once you start processing oil and gas, desalination becomes a free by-product, that is how they do it in the Gulf, he should ask his Qatari allies to give him a demo.

Davut also goes on to state that Turkey cannot be encircled by the Exclusive Economic Zones of others, when it has the most extensive coastline in the Mediterranean. The man is either ingnorant or an outright liar.

The World Resources Institute gives the coastlines for each littoral nation- Greece has 15 147 km, Italy 9 226, Turkey 8 140, the "most extensive coastline..." is another brazen attempt to distort reality, but the players in this game are bigger than him and he will have to accept reality. And once more Turkey rejects the International Law of the Sea and instead wants to settle the issue via bilateral agreements. I want to see the agreement with the USA where the Turks will specify that the territorial waters they accept are six miles and not the 12 miles claime by the USA under the Law of the Sea convention.

In short, Davut, despite his "strategic depth" theories, is an old style bazaar clown of Ottoman vintage. None of his policies have succeded and neither will the one with the water.

Hold your horses here a minute you GCs dont need water, thats what you have been telling us all along, so who is lieing here? do you really believe that Turkey would go to all that cost and trouble of bringing water to Cyprus is they didnt get the greenlight for its usage, we always knew the water was intended for a bigger market or alternatively a solution was on the horizon therefore more water would be needed to support tourism etc.

[Nikitas]

No one ever said that the GCs or any other people do not need water. What Turkey will be offering is CHEAPER water than can be obtained via desalination, in EXCHANGE for something. Turkey has never, ever, done anything for goodwill and for free. And as always there are hidden costs and not only those involved in dealing with Turkey.

The other suitors for the oil and gas are not exactly saints, but there is one difference between them and the Turks- they recognise Cyprus as a nation state, the Turks do not. It is that simple. Dealing with the others reinforces the RoC as a nation state, dealing with Turkey weakens it.

I realise it is flattering and ego boosting to think that Turkey has gone to untold expense to make this pipe line for the TCs. It is also risking a lot of prestige if it does not produce the amounts of water promised. But the realities are that it is one more Turkish gambit conceived and executed for their goals and not yours.

As for the tankers from Greece, this is known, and that solution proves that if water had been so necessary it could have been provided years ago with tankers. I said so in posts above. Half the Greek islands were tanker supplied till recently. So the question that rises is why not tankers till now, and why jump into a pipeline project so soon after the oil and gas leases were signed. Davut just told you why, but you want to kill the messenger because it happens to be a leading Greek paper.