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[zan]

Sorry friends but blaming Britain for all your woes doesn't wash at all. It was Cyprus who wanted to terminate it's relationship with the UK after murdering British troops and citizens under Grivas and, when Britain pulled out it was Cyprus once again, who didn't want to remain in the British Commonwealth with all the protection that would have afforded. Had Mrs Thatcher been Prime Minister when the Turks invaded there might have been a different outcome but there was a Labour government in the UK and they never honour their obligations either to allies or their electorate. You brought it on yourselves but you are certainly making up for it by robbing expats who live here blind in every way you can think of.

I don't think the problem is about Cyprus being in the Commonwealth, but in self-governing itself, as every country has a right to ... especially one much older, and civilised long before Britain.

If you are having trouble paying your bills in Cyprus, may I remind you that you have the freedom to go elsewhere. You do not have to be here to govern us, or protect us or feed us!

I don't think that I have to point it out every time as people have seen what you are and the crap you talk Stella but it does give me pleasure so I will indulge myself once again....

What part of Cyprus was so civilsed when the Brits came??? Was it those that were riding donkeys up and down the hills...Or maybe those of us that were picking olives without shoes on our feet...

[Oracle]

Sorry friends but blaming Britain for all your woes doesn't wash at all. It was Cyprus who wanted to terminate it's relationship with the UK after murdering British troops and citizens under Grivas and, when Britain pulled out it was Cyprus once again, who didn't want to remain in the British Commonwealth with all the protection that would have afforded. Had Mrs Thatcher been Prime Minister when the Turks invaded there might have been a different outcome but there was a Labour government in the UK and they never honour their obligations either to allies or their electorate. You brought it on yourselves but you are certainly making up for it by robbing expats who live here blind in every way you can think of.

I don't think the problem is about Cyprus being in the Commonwealth, but in self-governing itself, as every country has a right to ... especially one much older, and civilised long before Britain.

If you are having trouble paying your bills in Cyprus, may I remind you that you have the freedom to go elsewhere. You do not have to be here to govern us, or protect us or feed us!

I don't think that I have to point it out every time as people have seen what you are and the crap you talk Stella but it does give me pleasure so I will indulge myself once again....

What part of Cyprus was so civilsed when the Brits came??? Was it those that were riding donkeys up and down the hills...Or maybe those of us that were picking olives without shoes on our feet...

Trust a Turk to miss the meaning of civilised ....

[zan]

Sorry friends but blaming Britain for all your woes doesn't wash at all. It was Cyprus who wanted to terminate it's relationship with the UK after murdering British troops and citizens under Grivas and, when Britain pulled out it was Cyprus once again, who didn't want to remain in the British Commonwealth with all the protection that would have afforded. Had Mrs Thatcher been Prime Minister when the Turks invaded there might have been a different outcome but there was a Labour government in the UK and they never honour their obligations either to allies or their electorate. You brought it on yourselves but you are certainly making up for it by robbing expats who live here blind in every way you can think of.

I don't think the problem is about Cyprus being in the Commonwealth, but in self-governing itself, as every country has a right to ... especially one much older, and civilised long before Britain.

If you are having trouble paying your bills in Cyprus, may I remind you that you have the freedom to go elsewhere. You do not have to be here to govern us, or protect us or feed us!

I don't think that I have to point it out every time as people have seen what you are and the crap you talk Stella but it does give me pleasure so I will indulge myself once again....

What part of Cyprus was so civilsed when the Brits came??? Was it those that were riding donkeys up and down the hills...Or maybe those of us that were picking olives without shoes on our feet...

Trust a Turk to miss the meaning of civilised ....

Oh! I forgot......You seem to want to create a time and a place where it all began....Silly me......Of course you forgot to add the word "Greek" before the civilised bit so I was confused....

[Piratis]

Piratis - what on earth have Ottoman's got to do with the question of getting from A to B or the nature of democracy.

But that aside, let's still play the socratic game. If, as you say the inducements of democracy itself should be enough in themselves for TCs, but in actuality (a) they are not enough or (b) they are held in check by Turkey, then what ? Do we say 'the game's up, no point in trying anymore, let's just pack up and go home' ? Or do we try something else ?

If you see Turkey as being the key veto on any settlement (on stopping TCs moving from A) then why not reach out to TCs ? Give TCs something that would allow TCs to afford to break from Turkey (one thing is for sure - TCs and GCs and Turks all agree on this - the record so far is that TCs are unable to break the dependence upon Turkey).

I don't know when I gave you the impression that we are willing to surrender. I always make clear that the opposide is true.

The TCs do not want to brake their relationship with Turkey because they believe that the Turkish guns will gain for them more than what they can otherwise have under a democratic system. We reach out to TCs and offer them a modern democratic united country, member of the EU, free from the rule of the Turkish generals, where their community and identity will be protected, and where they can have their quarantined representation both locally and in EU, as opposed of being just the puppets of some Turkish generals.

Apparently the Turkish offer is better for them, since it is very easy for the Turks to give as bribes what was stolen from us.

[zan]

Piratis - what on earth have Ottoman's got to do with the question of getting from A to B or the nature of democracy.

But that aside, let's still play the socratic game. If, as you say the inducements of democracy itself should be enough in themselves for TCs, but in actuality (a) they are not enough or (b) they are held in check by Turkey, then what ? Do we say 'the game's up, no point in trying anymore, let's just pack up and go home' ? Or do we try something else ?

If you see Turkey as being the key veto on any settlement (on stopping TCs moving from A) then why not reach out to TCs ? Give TCs something that would allow TCs to afford to break from Turkey (one thing is for sure - TCs and GCs and Turks all agree on this - the record so far is that TCs are unable to break the dependence upon Turkey).

I don't know when I gave you the impression that we are willing to surrender. I always make clear that the opposide is true.

The TCs do not want to brake their relationship with Turkey because they believe that the Turkish guns will gain for them more than what they can otherwise have under a democratic system. We reach out to TCs and offer them a modern democratic united country, member of the EU, free from the rule of the Turkish generals, where their community and identity will be protected, and where they can have their quarantined representation both locally and in EU, as opposed of being just the puppets of some Turkish generals.

Apparently the Turkish offer is better for them, since it is very easy for the Turks to give as bribes what was stolen from us.

hahahahahahaaaaaa! Sorry.....I could not think of anything deserving to say to this bullshit!!!

[Piratis]

Piratis - what on earth have Ottoman's got to do with the question of getting from A to B or the nature of democracy.

But that aside, let's still play the socratic game. If, as you say the inducements of democracy itself should be enough in themselves for TCs, but in actuality (a) they are not enough or (b) they are held in check by Turkey, then what ? Do we say 'the game's up, no point in trying anymore, let's just pack up and go home' ? Or do we try something else ?

If you see Turkey as being the key veto on any settlement (on stopping TCs moving from A) then why not reach out to TCs ? Give TCs something that would allow TCs to afford to break from Turkey (one thing is for sure - TCs and GCs and Turks all agree on this - the record so far is that TCs are unable to break the dependence upon Turkey).

I don't know when I gave you the impression that we are willing to surrender. I always make clear that the opposide is true.

The TCs do not want to brake their relationship with Turkey because they believe that the Turkish guns will gain for them more than what they can otherwise have under a democratic system. We reach out to TCs and offer them a modern democratic united country, member of the EU, free from the rule of the Turkish generals, where their community and identity will be protected, and where they can have their quarantined representation both locally and in EU, as opposed of being just the puppets of some Turkish generals.

Apparently the Turkish offer is better for them, since it is very easy for the Turks to give as bribes what was stolen from us.

hahahahahahaaaaaa! Sorry.....I could not think of anything deserving to say to this bullshit!!!

With bold is the essence of your statement.

With red is a display of your anger and your inability to refute the perfectly valid argument I made.

[Oracle]

Sorry friends but blaming Britain for all your woes doesn't wash at all. It was Cyprus who wanted to terminate it's relationship with the UK after murdering British troops and citizens under Grivas and, when Britain pulled out it was Cyprus once again, who didn't want to remain in the British Commonwealth with all the protection that would have afforded. Had Mrs Thatcher been Prime Minister when the Turks invaded there might have been a different outcome but there was a Labour government in the UK and they never honour their obligations either to allies or their electorate. You brought it on yourselves but you are certainly making up for it by robbing expats who live here blind in every way you can think of.

Britains Role


Britain opposed freedom and democracy for Cyprus following World War II and bears the original and primary responsibility for the post-World War II tragedies that have befallen Cyprus. While other colonies were gaining their freedom, Cyprus was told by the British Minister of State for Colonial Affairs Harry Hopkinson, during a House of Commons debate in 1954, that "[t]here can be no question of any change of sovereignty in Cyprus" and that "there are certain territories in the Commonwealth which, owing to their particular circumstances, can never expect to be fully independent."

Following the Hopkinson "never" statement, Greece decided to bring an application for self-determination to the 1954 UN General Assembly session on behalf of the people of Cyprus. Britain opposed the application. Although Turkey had renounced all rights to Cyprus in the Lausanne Treaty of 1923, Britain claimed that the presence of an eighteen percent Turkish Cypriot minority was an obstacle to a solution. Britain called for a tripartite conference among Britain, Greece and Turkey which was held in London in late August and early September 1955 to discuss the situation in Cyprus. The conference ended in failure. Britain, however, accomplished her objective: greater Turkish involvement in the matter to blunt the Greek Government’s efforts on behalf of self-determination for the people of Cyprus.

btw ... excellent answers in above posts by Piratis ....

[zan]

Piratis - what on earth have Ottoman's got to do with the question of getting from A to B or the nature of democracy.

But that aside, let's still play the socratic game. If, as you say the inducements of democracy itself should be enough in themselves for TCs, but in actuality (a) they are not enough or (b) they are held in check by Turkey, then what ? Do we say 'the game's up, no point in trying anymore, let's just pack up and go home' ? Or do we try something else ?

If you see Turkey as being the key veto on any settlement (on stopping TCs moving from A) then why not reach out to TCs ? Give TCs something that would allow TCs to afford to break from Turkey (one thing is for sure - TCs and GCs and Turks all agree on this - the record so far is that TCs are unable to break the dependence upon Turkey).

I don't know when I gave you the impression that we are willing to surrender. I always make clear that the opposide is true.

The TCs do not want to brake their relationship with Turkey because they believe that the Turkish guns will gain for them more than what they can otherwise have under a democratic system. We reach out to TCs and offer them a modern democratic united country, member of the EU, free from the rule of the Turkish generals, where their community and identity will be protected, and where they can have their quarantined representation both locally and in EU, as opposed of being just the puppets of some Turkish generals.

Apparently the Turkish offer is better for them, since it is very easy for the Turks to give as bribes what was stolen from us.

hahahahahahaaaaaa! Sorry.....I could not think of anything deserving to say to this bullshit!!!

With bold is the essence of your statement.

With red is a display of your anger and your inability to refute the perfectly valid argument I made.

We both seem to be suffering from the same affliction.... Except!!! I knew mine could not be answered to and you are a deluded fool!!

[zan]

Sorry friends but blaming Britain for all your woes doesn't wash at all. It was Cyprus who wanted to terminate it's relationship with the UK after murdering British troops and citizens under Grivas and, when Britain pulled out it was Cyprus once again, who didn't want to remain in the British Commonwealth with all the protection that would have afforded. Had Mrs Thatcher been Prime Minister when the Turks invaded there might have been a different outcome but there was a Labour government in the UK and they never honour their obligations either to allies or their electorate. You brought it on yourselves but you are certainly making up for it by robbing expats who live here blind in every way you can think of.

Britains Role


Britain opposed freedom and democracy for Cyprus following World War II and bears the original and primary responsibility for the post-World War II tragedies that have befallen Cyprus. While other colonies were gaining their freedom, Cyprus was told by the British Minister of State for Colonial Affairs Harry Hopkinson, during a House of Commons debate in 1954, that "[t]here can be no question of any change of sovereignty in Cyprus" and that "there are certain territories in the Commonwealth which, owing to their particular circumstances, can never expect to be fully independent."

Following the Hopkinson "never" statement, Greece decided to bring an application for self-determination to the 1954 UN General Assembly session on behalf of the people of Cyprus. Britain opposed the application. Although Turkey had renounced all rights to Cyprus in the Lausanne Treaty of 1923, Britain claimed that the presence of an eighteen percent Turkish Cypriot minority was an obstacle to a solution. Britain called for a tripartite conference among Britain, Greece and Turkey which was held in London in late August and early September 1955 to discuss the situation in Cyprus. The conference ended in failure. Britain, however, accomplished her objective: greater Turkish involvement in the matter to blunt the Greek Government’s efforts on behalf of self-determination for the people of Cyprus.

btw ... excellent answers in above posts by Piratis ....

In 1878 Sir garnet Wolseley was greeted by Church leaders who appealed for British assistance in achieving ENOSIS......Where is the fight for independence in that dear boy Even then your schools where teaching the Megali idea to Cypriots.....

[Oracle]

Sorry friends but blaming Britain for all your woes doesn't wash at all. It was Cyprus who wanted to terminate it's relationship with the UK after murdering British troops and citizens under Grivas and, when Britain pulled out it was Cyprus once again, who didn't want to remain in the British Commonwealth with all the protection that would have afforded. Had Mrs Thatcher been Prime Minister when the Turks invaded there might have been a different outcome but there was a Labour government in the UK and they never honour their obligations either to allies or their electorate. You brought it on yourselves but you are certainly making up for it by robbing expats who live here blind in every way you can think of.

Britains Role


Britain opposed freedom and democracy for Cyprus following World War II and bears the original and primary responsibility for the post-World War II tragedies that have befallen Cyprus. While other colonies were gaining their freedom, Cyprus was told by the British Minister of State for Colonial Affairs Harry Hopkinson, during a House of Commons debate in 1954, that "[t]here can be no question of any change of sovereignty in Cyprus" and that "there are certain territories in the Commonwealth which, owing to their particular circumstances, can never expect to be fully independent."

Following the Hopkinson "never" statement, Greece decided to bring an application for self-determination to the 1954 UN General Assembly session on behalf of the people of Cyprus. Britain opposed the application. Although Turkey had renounced all rights to Cyprus in the Lausanne Treaty of 1923, Britain claimed that the presence of an eighteen percent Turkish Cypriot minority was an obstacle to a solution. Britain called for a tripartite conference among Britain, Greece and Turkey which was held in London in late August and early September 1955 to discuss the situation in Cyprus. The conference ended in failure. Britain, however, accomplished her objective: greater Turkish involvement in the matter to blunt the Greek Government’s efforts on behalf of self-determination for the people of Cyprus.

btw ... excellent answers in above posts by Piratis ....

In 1878 Sir garnet Wolseley was greeted by Church leaders who appealed for British assistance in achieving ENOSIS......Where is the fight for independence in that dear boy Even then your schools where teaching the Megali idea to Cypriots.....

You have gone back to an irrelevant part of history to lay some claim ... failed.

I first learnt about the Megali Idea in British schools ... and they do not like the Ottoman-Turks ... better censor what your kids are exposed to in your North London schools zan!