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[Nikitas]

The phenomenon of the well meaning and outwardly sincere foreign journalist is dangerous. The story is skewed and one sided. She could easily have mentioned (in passing) the recent the recovery of the family from Palekythro, where NINE people were executed by teenagers from an adjoining village. Instead she focused solely on the plight of a well known family of one side.

But we better get used to this kind of journalism. It is going to get worse and more frequent. The signs are there. We have seen it all before here in Greece.

[zan]

The phenomenon of the well meaning and outwardly sincere foreign journalist is dangerous. The story is skewed and one sided. She could easily have mentioned (in passing) the recent the recovery of the family from Palekythro, where NINE people were executed by teenagers from an adjoining village. Instead she focused solely on the plight of a well known family of one side.

But we better get used to this kind of journalism. It is going to get worse and more frequent. The signs are there. We have seen it all before here in Greece.

Exactly what the TCs have been complaining about for 40 years....A bitter pill to swallow for you but the norm for us......


I also think that the cat that was run over should have bean mentioned...

[miltiades]

Turkish Cypriots were murdered by G/C bloody extremists who detested the Turkish Cypriots and wanted nothing but the total extinction of the T/C people .One such individual was Nicos Sampson .
Likewise T/C extremists murdered in cold blood G/Cs because they too had hatred in their hearts and wanted the partition of our island.Evidence of extremism we see daily on this forum , rather than forget , forgive and move on we have amongst us extremists who dont give a shit about the future of this island as long as they can stick their chest out , fly their foreign bloody rug and betray Cyprus in the process.

You omitted to mention the Grey Wolves and TMT organised by Denktash in the '50's to annihilate GCs and TCs ... and to this day they persist in murdering innocent unarmed GCs.

And what may I ask did I mean by T/C extremists ?
Let me assure you that the decent T/Cs abhor acts committed by the notorious Grey Wolves , and let me also categorically state that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs are peace loving , family orientated decent Cypriots who would like nothing more than to live and work side by side with their compatriots just as they did in the past , just as I did too sharing a dormitory with my little compatriots oblivious of detrimental differences .

Yes ... but you failed to mention they also murdered TCs ... which was the slant of this thread!

Miltiades ... WAKE UP! ... you are not sleeping in that dormitory in the '50's anymore.

Times have moved on ... and those TCs you slept with are now party to accepting the illegitimate occupation by Turkey, of 40% of our country!

O , you know full well that my tolerance to stupidity is very low , as a 7 year old I shared a dormitory with other children , T/C kids too. Refrace your statement and remove the stupid comment you attributed to a 7 year old child OR I SWEAR I'M COMING AFTER YOU !!

Yes leave the 40,000 Turkish troops alone Big Man ... and come after me because I only desire their removal, something you are afraid to confront!

Skewed priorities from a stewed pickle!

Don't ruffle my feathers Miltiades or I'll show you how adept I am with your catering equipment .... stopper your orifices!

I think you are playing games with words . You know perfectly well what my feelings are towards the foreign troops on the soil of our island. You also know my views on the best method available to effect their removal , and it is NOT what you professed some time ago as being your preferred method.
You are being belligerent with you relentless attacks on anything Turkish, because the political negotiations are demanding an atmosphere of good will and understanding not combative messages.
We should focus more on our mutual cultural proclivities with our T/C compatriots and much less on our propensity to present our selves as a part of a foreign power which we are not and never have been. We have to promote our nation and also continue with political affiliations that are beneficial to our Island , and here I'm referring to our predisposition to support non influential nations simply because they are anti American.

[CopperLine]

What's the problem here ? Is it criticism of the journalism of the Tabitha Morgan because she didn't write details people wanted ? Or because of the conclusions she came to ?

In an article which focuses quite deliberately on a TC case to illustrate the contentious nature of the discovery of missing peoples it really is silly to just dismiss her words 'Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974. The stories of their grieving children, and of families pulled out of joint, are just as raw.' Morgan says unequivocally that the stories of for GCs as 'just as raw'. What is you problem ? Don't you think these stories are as raw ? Do you think Morgan is misreporting this ? Or are you saying that Morgan doesn't really believe that they're as raw, that she's being insincere ?


Oracle : before you start giving lessons on truth and accuracy I suggest that you catch up on basic meanings of words in the English language : thus when someone writes

Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974

it does not mean and cannot mean

only in 1974 as the article suggests .

. The article doesn't say, let alone suggest, anything of the kind - it says something which is objectively the case that most Greek Cypriots killed were men and that most of those Greek Cypriot men who were killed were killed at the time of the Turkish invasion. If you are actually denying this i.e, that most Greek Cypriot men were not killed at the time of the Turkish invasion then when were they killed ? before the Turkish invasion ? What, under the dominant rule of .... Greek Cypriots ?

She does not say anywhere that they were only killed in 1974. I won't accuse you of lying, just plain dishonesty.

[Piratis]

What's the problem here ? Is it criticism of the journalism of the Tabitha Morgan because she didn't write details people wanted ? Or because of the conclusions she came to ?

In an article which focuses quite deliberately on a TC case to illustrate the contentious nature of the discovery of missing peoples it really is silly to just dismiss her words 'Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974. The stories of their grieving children, and of families pulled out of joint, are just as raw.' Morgan says unequivocally that the stories of for GCs as 'just as raw'. What is you problem ? Don't you think these stories are as raw ? Do you think Morgan is misreporting this ? Or are you saying that Morgan doesn't really believe that they're as raw, that she's being insincere ?


Oracle : before you start giving lessons on truth and accuracy I suggest that you catch up on basic meanings of words in the English language : thus when someone writes

Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974

it does not mean and cannot mean

only in 1974 as the article suggests .

. The article doesn't say, let alone suggest, anything of the kind - it says something which is objectively the case that most Greek Cypriots killed were men and that most of those Greek Cypriot men who were killed were killed at the time of the Turkish invasion. If you are actually denying this i.e, that most Greek Cypriot men were not killed at the time of the Turkish invasion then when were they killed ? before the Turkish invasion ? What, under the dominant rule of .... Greek Cypriots ?

She does not say anywhere that they were only killed in 1974. I won't accuse you of lying, just plain dishonesty.

The TC missing are also mostly men.

The article has an obvious bias. Since there are more GC missing then she could at least put the same weight for the missing of both sides and present the case of a GC missing as well.

[Oracle]

What's the problem here ? Is it criticism of the journalism of the Tabitha Morgan because she didn't write details people wanted ? Or because of the conclusions she came to ?

In an article which focuses quite deliberately on a TC case to illustrate the contentious nature of the discovery of missing peoples it really is silly to just dismiss her words 'Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974. The stories of their grieving children, and of families pulled out of joint, are just as raw.' Morgan says unequivocally that the stories of for GCs as 'just as raw'. What is you problem ? Don't you think these stories are as raw ? Do you think Morgan is misreporting this ? Or are you saying that Morgan doesn't really believe that they're as raw, that she's being insincere ?


Oracle : before you start giving lessons on truth and accuracy I suggest that you catch up on basic meanings of words in the English language : thus when someone writes

Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974

it does not mean and cannot mean

only in 1974 as the article suggests .

. The article doesn't say, let alone suggest, anything of the kind - it says something which is objectively the case that most Greek Cypriots killed were men and that most of those Greek Cypriot men who were killed were killed at the time of the Turkish invasion. If you are actually denying this i.e, that most Greek Cypriot men were not killed at the time of the Turkish invasion then when were they killed ? before the Turkish invasion ? What, under the dominant rule of .... Greek Cypriots ?

She does not say anywhere that they were only killed in 1974. I won't accuse you of lying, just plain dishonesty.

The TC missing are also mostly men.

The article has an obvious bias. Since there are more GC missing then she could at least put the same weight for the missing of both sides and present the case of a GC missing as well.

The reason I objected to that statement was because the example the journalist went into great detail about, was from 1963.

Therefore she was not comparing like for like.

CopperLine knows it was a deliberate disingenuous act to suggest or imply, that there were no GCs killed other than during the war in 1974. Whereas by implication TCs were "mysteriously" being killed off in 1963 (or before the war, hence by inference justifying the 1974 invasion).

[Magnus]

What's the problem here ? Is it criticism of the journalism of the Tabitha Morgan because she didn't write details people wanted ? Or because of the conclusions she came to ?

Tabitha isn't much of a journalist, she's only had a few published articles and all of them have been on websites, not print. All are about Cyprus events (Christofias' election, negotiations etc) and they're usually just 'telegram' style postings.

The problem here is that Tabitha has presented a highly biased article that is very thin on factual content. It is clear that Mr Arif is only useful to her as someone to provide a 'human angle'. She completely neglects to mention any proven factual evidence for his assumptions regarding the death of his father, but rather relies on his claims as being fact in themselves. She doesn't even have the decency to ask the man what he feels about the current talks despite the fact that he feeds her the opportunity when he says 'they were Greek Cypriots but that's not what is important'.

Her acknowledgement of the suffering of GCs is barely an afterthought. The little she does say is again devoid of significant factual content. How about pointing out that there are approximately 2,000 people claimed as missing? She didn't even need to say that 1,500 of them are GCs, all she had to do was give the total in order to highlight the scale of the issue.

In my previous post on this thread I gave some links for other similar articles. If you look at the one from the International Herald Tribune, they use the cases of people from both sides to illustrate the problem. This is what Tabitha should have done.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/19/news/cyprus.php

So much for balance and journalistic integrity.

[CopperLine]

Oracle's idiotic comments are back :

Tabitha Morgan did not suggest or imply

'that there were no GCs killed other than during the war in 1974.

This is your perverse interpretation Oracle. It is not what the author wrote. The author wrote 'Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974.' You Oracle - still unable to master the meaning of basic vocabulary - took the word mostly and gave it the wholly new meaning of only

Furthermore Oracle claims to know the mind and intentions of Tabitha Morgan : how the f*** do you know whether this allegedly disingenuous use of words by Morgan was 'deliberate' ?

[zan]

What's the problem here ? Is it criticism of the journalism of the Tabitha Morgan because she didn't write details people wanted ? Or because of the conclusions she came to ?

In an article which focuses quite deliberately on a TC case to illustrate the contentious nature of the discovery of missing peoples it really is silly to just dismiss her words 'Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974. The stories of their grieving children, and of families pulled out of joint, are just as raw.' Morgan says unequivocally that the stories of for GCs as 'just as raw'. What is you problem ? Don't you think these stories are as raw ? Do you think Morgan is misreporting this ? Or are you saying that Morgan doesn't really believe that they're as raw, that she's being insincere ?


Oracle : before you start giving lessons on truth and accuracy I suggest that you catch up on basic meanings of words in the English language : thus when someone writes

Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974

it does not mean and cannot mean

only in 1974 as the article suggests .

. The article doesn't say, let alone suggest, anything of the kind - it says something which is objectively the case that most Greek Cypriots killed were men and that most of those Greek Cypriot men who were killed were killed at the time of the Turkish invasion. If you are actually denying this i.e, that most Greek Cypriot men were not killed at the time of the Turkish invasion then when were they killed ? before the Turkish invasion ? What, under the dominant rule of .... Greek Cypriots ?

She does not say anywhere that they were only killed in 1974. I won't accuse you of lying, just plain dishonesty.

The TC missing are also mostly men.

The article has an obvious bias. Since there are more GC missing then she could at least put the same weight for the missing of both sides and present the case of a GC missing as well.

The reason I objected to that statement was because the example the journalist went into great detail about, was from 1963.

Therefore she was not comparing like for like.

CopperLine knows it was a deliberate disingenuous act to suggest or imply, that there were no GCs killed other than during the war in 1974. Whereas by implication TCs were "mysteriously" being killed off in 1963 (or before the war, hence by inference justifying the 1974 invasion).

As most decent people would.....Other truths do exist....

[zan]

Oracle's idiotic comments are back :

Tabitha Morgan did not suggest or imply

'that there were no GCs killed other than during the war in 1974.

This is your perverse interpretation Oracle. It is not what the author wrote. The author wrote 'Greek Cypriots have their own missing, mostly men killed at the time of the Turkish invasion in 1974.' You Oracle - still unable to master the meaning of basic vocabulary - took the word mostly and gave it the wholly new meaning of only

Furthermore Oracle claims to know the mind and intentions of Tabitha Morgan : how the f*** do you know whether this allegedly disingenuous use of words by Morgan was 'deliberate' ?

I don't know if I am enjoying the journey that GCs now have to take or cringing, knowing that I saw the same thing when I was a member of a nationalist site that I did not realise was ultra nationalist. One of the founders sent out a message for us to write to the producers of the Simpsons in which Homer was heard to shout at a Turkish ship " You Cyprus splitting Turks"....I wrote to this guy and asked if he knew what satire was........alas the answer I got told me he did not....