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[zan]

There is nothing to hide about our desire for freedom. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. The ones who should be ashamed is you, who butchered Cypriots by the 100s and 1000s simply because we, like the rest of Greeks, wanted to be free from your oppressive rule and create a free state.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

We had every right to revolt and seek our freedom from foreign empires, either you were the rulers or the British.
In the 1950s we revolted against the British, we didn't touch you. And yet, thinking that you are still our masters who can impose your rule over us, as if we were still your slaves, you attacked us again in 1958 with the aim to help the British to oppress our revolution and keep Cyprus enslaved.

And then in the conflicts that followed your attack of 1958, where you killed 100s of innocent GC people, you come here to pretend to be the innocent victim because you had losses as well, forgetting that it is you in fact who started the conflict.

I again repeat that I recognize your losses in that conflict. It is time you recognize our losses during that time as well and the fact that you started the conflict in 1958, and stop pretending to be the innocent victim that needed to be saved by a turkish invasion that killed 1000s of people (many times more than any side lost in the inter-communal conflict) and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands.

In 1878 Sir garnet Wolseley was greeted by Church leaders who appealed for British assistance in achieving ENOSIS......Where is the fight for independence in that dear boy Even then your schools where teaching the Megali idea to Cypriots.....

[Nikephoros]

Bananiot, is a constant source of leftist disinfo.

Turkish/Islamic mentality is to live hakim(dominant) over other nations, constantly humiltating and degrading them, not to live as a minority(even one with the overly generous rights of the 1960 Constitution).

[zan]

Piratis, I am well aware of the events of 1958 but we should tell both sides of the story. No doubt the Turkish nationalists managed to gather strength by utilising the fear factor of enosis and they did commit acts of barbarism such as the bomb that was set up in Nicosia in the Turkish quarters in June (I think) 1958 in order to blame the Greeks and thus create an atmosphere of animosity and mistrust. In retaliation we tried to attack Turkish Cypriot villages but were stopped by the Brits and things got really nasty when 8 villagers from Kondemenos were murdered outside Guyneli by Turkish Cypriots. The murdered people were arrested by the Brits because, with many others, were preparing an attack on Turkish villages. During this period, a busload of Turkish Cypriot workers from Sinta village was sprayed with bullets by EOKA people resulting in a number of deaths. It is also true that EOKA murdered a number of Turkish Cypriot policemen who were seen as collaborating with the Brits. Also, EOKA murdered a large number of Greek Cypriots who were accused of not being sympathetic to enosis.

Despite the upheaval 0f 1958 we did manage to avoid the worst and in 1959 we got an independent country with a constitution which even Papadopoulos said (with hindsight) that it was a blessing in disguise.

We however, never gave up on our enosis dream and this aspiration was to haunt us until 1967 when Makarios said that he would go for the feasible and not the desirable. We never gave the young nation of Cyprus a chance. We did not even grant the Turkish Cypriots their full rights as outlined by the Constitution. We tried to change the Constitution and did not hear the warnings of wise people that were telling us that we were playing with fire. It is a lie to say that we simply proposed some changes which the Turkish Cypriots could take or leave. We set up paramilitary organisations in order to make sure that the changes were implemented at any cost. We ask the main protagonists to comment on the changes proposed but when the Turkish Ambassador came to the Presidential Palace to deliver the answer of Ankara, the occupant would not answer the door.

Our biggest and criminal (I would add) mistake was to play the game of the Turkish nationalists and add fuel to the friction between the two communities. I suppose this was a necessary ingredient in the effort to bring about enosis. Had we denounced enosis and offered generous support to the Turkish Cypriots we could have priced them away from the grip of Turkish nationalism. Not only we failed to do so but we treated them as second and third class citizen and boasted on top that they were not worth building roads to connect Turkish Cypriot villages.

The question is, will Greek Cypriot children ever be told the real history of Cyprus and most important will they be allowed to develop into free thinking individuals who will not be lead astray by the sirens of nationalism and chauvinism? The Education Minister is giving us hope and the more the Archbishop barks the more the hope.

Thank you Bananiot!!!

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

Your brief history leaves out the role played by both motherlands and the now admitted machinations against Cyprus. Sure the local fanatics plotted and pressed, but both motherlands knew of these moves, and both helped, each in their way. Both had plans, and neither was a defensive plan, all were offensive, against the independence of the island.

In an open debate in the Greek parliament both major parties revealed that their policy in Cyprus in the 60s was "unionist". In Turkey we have not seen an equivalent revelation of policy, and probably never will. But the evidence is there and the conclusion is that they, like Greece, had plans for Cyprus.

The essential difference is that Greece has acknowledged its past plans and now has none. Turkey, with 40 000 soldiers on the island and a whole army corps stationed 40 miles away obviously has other plans. The nature of the solution sought by them also supports the inference that their plans for the future are not unconnected from the plans initiated in the 50s. It is therefore naive to believe that there can be a genuine BBF in Cyprus unadulterated by Turkish intentions and plans for the future. Until proof is provided that Turkey is willing to go as far as Greece has, we are entitled to be cautious if not cynical.

[Piratis]

Bananiot, therefore you agree with me that the TCs were the ones who started the conflict in 1958 and EOKA was dragged in this conflict.

In 1960 we didn't get an independent Cyprus. The British wrote the constidution as it suited them and the Turks (who helped them oppress our revolution) and they blackmailed Makarios to accept it. Makarios, who represented 80% of the Cypriot people (more popular support than most leaders of most countries) had asked for just some amendments and this was refused to him. Who in his right mind calls this an "independence"?

You can't end a conflict by forcing something unfair and punishing the innocent people and rewarding the aggressors. This is the lesson we should have learned, and most of us did.

[zan]

Bananiot, therefore you agree with me that the TCs were the ones who started the conflict in 1958 and EOKA was dragged in this conflict.

In 1960 we didn't get an independent Cyprus. The British wrote the constidution as it suited them and the Turks (who helped them oppress our revolution) and they blackmailed Makarios to accept it. Makarios, who represented 80% of the Cypriot people (more popular support than most leaders of most countries) had asked for just some amendments and this was refused to him. Who in his right mind calls this an "independence"?

You can't end a conflict by forcing something unfair and punishing the innocent people and rewarding the aggressors. This is the lesson we should have learned, and most of us did.

In 1878 Sir garnet Wolseley was greeted by Church leaders who appealed for British assistance in achieving ENOSIS......Where is the fight for independence in that dear boy Even then your schools where teaching the Megali idea to Cypriots.....

Started when????hahahahahahahaaaaa

[Oracle]

Piratis, I am well aware of the events of 1958 but we should tell both sides of the story. No doubt the Turkish nationalists managed to gather strength by utilising the fear factor of enosis and they did commit acts of barbarism such as the bomb that was set up in Nicosia in the Turkish quarters in June (I think) 1958 in order to blame the Greeks and thus create an atmosphere of animosity and mistrust. In retaliation we tried to attack Turkish Cypriot villages but were stopped by the Brits and things got really nasty when 8 villagers from Kondemenos were murdered outside Guyneli by Turkish Cypriots. The murdered people were arrested by the Brits because, with many others, were preparing an attack on Turkish villages. During this period, a busload of Turkish Cypriot workers from Sinta village was sprayed with bullets by EOKA people resulting in a number of deaths. It is also true that EOKA murdered a number of Turkish Cypriot policemen who were seen as collaborating with the Brits. Also, EOKA murdered a large number of Greek Cypriots who were accused of not being sympathetic to enosis.

Despite the upheaval 0f 1958 we did manage to avoid the worst and in 1959 we got an independent country with a constitution which even Papadopoulos said (with hindsight) that it was a blessing in disguise.

We however, never gave up on our enosis dream and this aspiration was to haunt us until 1967 when Makarios said that he would go for the feasible and not the desirable. We never gave the young nation of Cyprus a chance. We did not even grant the Turkish Cypriots their full rights as outlined by the Constitution. We tried to change the Constitution and did not hear the warnings of wise people that were telling us that we were playing with fire. It is a lie to say that we simply proposed some changes which the Turkish Cypriots could take or leave. We set up paramilitary organisations in order to make sure that the changes were implemented at any cost. We ask the main protagonists to comment on the changes proposed but when the Turkish Ambassador came to the Presidential Palace to deliver the answer of Ankara, the occupant would not answer the door.

Our biggest and criminal (I would add) mistake was to play the game of the Turkish nationalists and add fuel to the friction between the two communities. I suppose this was a necessary ingredient in the effort to bring about enosis. Had we denounced enosis and offered generous support to the Turkish Cypriots we could have priced them away from the grip of Turkish nationalism. Not only we failed to do so but we treated them as second and third class citizen and boasted on top that they were not worth building roads to connect Turkish Cypriot villages.

The question is, will Greek Cypriot children ever be told the real history of Cyprus and most important will they be allowed to develop into free thinking individuals who will not be lead astray by the sirens of nationalism and chauvinism? The Education Minister is giving us hope and the more the Archbishop barks the more the hope.

Thank you Bananiot!!!

... Obviously in need of a "GC" ( a traitorous one) to help you disseminate what you are trying to convey ...

[Viewpoint]

Piratis have you realized that like it or not there 2 sides to every story depending which sideof the divide you sit, plus we do not have to accept your viewpoint for a solution as it would be forced and therefore not our free will just as you claim happened to GCs in 1960.

[Piratis]

There is nothing to hide about our desire for freedom. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. The ones who should be ashamed is you, who butchered Cypriots by the 100s and 1000s simply because we, like the rest of Greeks, wanted to be free from your oppressive rule and create a free state.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

We had every right to revolt and seek our freedom from foreign empires, either you were the rulers or the British.
In the 1950s we revolted against the British, we didn't touch you. And yet, thinking that you are still our masters who can impose your rule over us, as if we were still your slaves, you attacked us again in 1958 with the aim to help the British to oppress our revolution and keep Cyprus enslaved.

And then in the conflicts that followed your attack of 1958, where you killed 100s of innocent GC people, you come here to pretend to be the innocent victim because you had losses as well, forgetting that it is you in fact who started the conflict.

I again repeat that I recognize your losses in that conflict. It is time you recognize our losses during that time as well and the fact that you started the conflict in 1958, and stop pretending to be the innocent victim that needed to be saved by a turkish invasion that killed 1000s of people (many times more than any side lost in the inter-communal conflict) and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands.

In 1878 Sir garnet Wolseley was greeted by Church leaders who appealed for British assistance in achieving ENOSIS......Where is the fight for independence in that dear boy Even then your schools where teaching the Megali idea to Cypriots.....

Zan, when we fight for independence it doesn't mean that every neighborhood or every village or every island should become an independent country. We fight for the freedom and independence of the Greek nation as whole, from the Ottomans, British, Italians, Nazis and all other foreign rulers who occupied our lands.

Cypriots started their struggle for a free Greek nation along with all other Greeks. Not every territory was liberated at the same time. Rodos for example was liberated in 1948 and naturally became part of the free Greek state since the native people of Rodos have been Greeks for 1000s of years and they, like us, wanted to be part of a free Greek state.

[zan]

There is nothing to hide about our desire for freedom. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. The ones who should be ashamed is you, who butchered Cypriots by the 100s and 1000s simply because we, like the rest of Greeks, wanted to be free from your oppressive rule and create a free state.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

We had every right to revolt and seek our freedom from foreign empires, either you were the rulers or the British.
In the 1950s we revolted against the British, we didn't touch you. And yet, thinking that you are still our masters who can impose your rule over us, as if we were still your slaves, you attacked us again in 1958 with the aim to help the British to oppress our revolution and keep Cyprus enslaved.

And then in the conflicts that followed your attack of 1958, where you killed 100s of innocent GC people, you come here to pretend to be the innocent victim because you had losses as well, forgetting that it is you in fact who started the conflict.

I again repeat that I recognize your losses in that conflict. It is time you recognize our losses during that time as well and the fact that you started the conflict in 1958, and stop pretending to be the innocent victim that needed to be saved by a turkish invasion that killed 1000s of people (many times more than any side lost in the inter-communal conflict) and ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands.

In 1878 Sir garnet Wolseley was greeted by Church leaders who appealed for British assistance in achieving ENOSIS......Where is the fight for independence in that dear boy Even then your schools where teaching the Megali idea to Cypriots.....

Zan, when we fight for independence it doesn't mean that every neighborhood or every village or every island should become an independent country. We fight for the freedom and independence of the Greek nation as whole, from the Ottomans, British, Italians, Nazis and all other foreign rulers who occupied our lands.

Cypriots started their struggle for a free Greek nation along with all other Greeks. Not every territory was liberated at the same time. Rodos for example was liberated in 1948 and naturally became part of the free Greek state since the native people of Rodos have been Greeks for 1000s of years and they, like us, wanted to be part of a free Greek state.

I like the way you separate the words Greek and Cypriot to different parts of your crazy statement and hope we will not realise.....You are either Greek or Cypriot when it suits you....I love it...And so will those that read it!!!