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will it help? they killed a cypriot who did nothing to them just minding his own business, and even if he did something would that have justified them murdering him?

that rubbish about them being durnk in the back of the car was a load of bs they probably where drunk but i bet they had alot more to do witht h emurder then just sitting int he back not knowing what was going on

If by "will it help?" you mean to win an appeal against extradition from the UK to Cyprus, yes it will.

The lawyer/barrister acting on behalf of these two will use any information that he/she can gather to plead the existance of a threat to their safety in the RoC. If a possible threat is substantiated and believed then the presiding appeal court judge will have no alternative but to revoke the extradition order.

With regard to the remainder of your post I may well agree with what you say but I am probably correct in assuming that you like myself were not present when the killing took place and therefor my and your knowledge of the events leading to the death of the young man is based purely upon perhaps trial attendance and reports, media information, places such as this forum and hear say.

Do I think what happened to the victim and his family was terrible? of course I do, only a complete moron of any nationality would believe otherwise.
Should punishment of those who caused/collabarated in this crime be exacted? yes of course it should.
Where should punishment take place? normally in the country where the crime was commited although agreement between the RoC and other countries including the UK does exist for convicted prisioners to part serve a sentence in their country of domicile. It should be noted that some UK and other foreign nationals serving prison sentences in the RoC have declined to take advantage of this agreement which leads to the question as to why?

What the organisations 'Liberty' and 'Fair Trials Abroad' would make of the comments made upon this thread and others like it elswhere is open to conjecture, but I'm reasonably sure that these organisations would without doubt use them as a means of delaying/stopping extradition if the appellants lawyer/barrister failed to do so.

[Oracle]

It's irrelevant in this day and age to worry about where the convicted serve their term. It's more important that justice is done, and they lose their freedom to reflect and hopefully become rehabilitated.

It is even less relevant now, within the EU that they should need to be extradited.

Less time and money should be spent on deciding where to incarcerate them, and more haste, in locking them up, becoming paramount.

Perhaps the UK with its over-full prisons and lack of money, may be quite happy to see the back of them. The UK doesn't offer much resistance when the USA wants extraditions from the UK to the US.

[haplessboyrussell]

I hope they don't find some loophole that allows them to serve their sentence in the UK. I'm sick and tired of these idiots travelling to every nation abroad and giving my country a bad name. I agree with Oracle's first sentence in the first place, but I wonder whether these scum would have done this in the UK, or whether they just thought they could do it in Cyprus because it's a holiday place and "normal rules don't apply", or, like so many of my compatriots, they believed that the foreign police services couldn't possibly be as good as the UK ones and wouldn't catch them, or perhaps they think a crime committed abroad isn't 'worth' as much as one committed at home.

If they go to a UK prison, they'll spend some time with lots of other murderers and get treated as equals.
If they go to a Cyprus prison, they'll gain a real understanding of what the country thinks of them, what individuals (mostly comparatively minor criminals) think of them, and have a chance to think about the disgust they've caused to the people of this island. I think they deserve the opportunity to find this out!

I'm sure the guards can find some additional ingredients for the shelftalies for these particular individuals!

Don't judge the entire British population on the basis of the actions of the more idiotic members of the nation that find their way to Agia Napa every year. I hope it's all part of a Darwinian theory that if they drink enough while young, they might not reproduce...

[Oracle]

.... but I wonder whether these scum would have done this in the UK, or whether they just thought they could do it in Cyprus because it's a holiday place and "normal rules don't apply", or, like so many of my compatriots, they believed that the foreign police services couldn't possibly be as good as the UK ones and wouldn't catch them, or perhaps they think a crime committed abroad isn't 'worth' as much as one committed at home.

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A lot of sense haplessboyrussell, you do speak! Very interesting this Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde characteristic of the Brit at home and abroad.

I wonder what makes them leave their brains at home. Over-regulated in the UK? Too much of the nanny state and then unable to self-regulate in new territory?

[purdey]

Sun and alcohol, bad combination, but still considered cool.

[haplessboyrussell]

Oracle - it's not every Brit!! I have managed to live in Cyprus for over two years, and have a few beers occasionally, without murdering anybody or lowering the quality of life of my Cypriot friends. (That said, I have developed a habit of breaking the law by creeping over the line at red lights....)

Seriously, I think there is a problem where people feel they can break the law abroad for the reasons I expressed above. The UK Foreign Office seems to be aware of this, and has been running an advert for years which states "If you break the law, we'll get you a fair hearing, but we can't get you off".

I'm 29, and over the 13-odd years I've been going out socially, it's been strange how the purpose of a "night out" in the UK has progressed from being sociable and meeting friends, to a straight-out "let's drink as much as possible". All of the problems, including this case, come from this attitude, because some people aren't capable of fulfilling basic human decency after they've reached a point of drunkenness. I think purdey has a point, and when this is combined with 40C heat and a holiday atmosphere where people feel they're in a location where they can act with indemnity, they'll feel they can get away with more.

For many years, I've believed that the real problems in Agia Napa, and the Spanish resorts are caused by a minority of people, and I think the British Government should put in place some kind of legislation whereby any person who is convicted in the UK on a drunk and disorderly charge, or any other crime whilst under the influence of alcohol are prevented from leaving the country for a suitable period of time. Not sure EU legislation would allow this. It would do wonders to improve our reputation abroad.

[Oracle]

I'm well aware it's not every Brit who behaves in this way ... thank goodness. Nearly all just enjoy an uneventful holiday abroad, treating foreigners as an extension of their normal lives.

The renegades, although slightly more represented by Brits than by other Europeans, are probably products, as I said earlier, of the nanny state.

So the UK has to learn to back off out of people's lives, give them a little more freedom, less social welfare. Then they can join the real world, and take responsibility for their actions.

[purdey]

It's got nothing to do with nanny state or social benefits. It is purely sun, alcohol and cheap prices and the locals turning a blind eye to bad behaviour. Look at Riga and Prague prime example at letting tourists run riot Italians, Germans and French included and then regretting it, now they have a no tolerance approach.

[Oracle]

It's got nothing to do with nanny state or social benefits. It is purely sun, alcohol and cheap prices and the locals turning a blind eye to bad behaviour. Look at Riga and Prague prime example at letting tourists run riot Italians, Germans and French included and then regretting it, now they have a no tolerance approach.

Yes purdey ... but how much pent up frustration has been building up, over 50 weeks, to allow this psychotic overflow to happen?

The Brits have the longest working week in Europe and the least number of holidays. So that leads to some stressed out workers. Then there are the over-molly-coddled subclasses who don't work, and feed off this milk-train ... and Bingo you have a whole lotta people who are approaching their annual holiday in the wrong frame of mind.

The few wealthy, relaxed types seem to carry the can, probably go further afield .

[Lee A Kada]

It's got nothing to do with nanny state or social benefits. It is purely sun, alcohol and cheap prices and the locals turning a blind eye to bad behaviour. Look at Riga and Prague prime example at letting tourists run riot Italians, Germans and French included and then regretting it, now they have a no tolerance approach.

Yes purdey ... but how much pent up frustration has been building up, over 50 weeks, to allow this psychotic overflow to happen?

The Brits have the longest working week in Europe and the least number of holidays. So that leads to some stressed out workers. Then there are the over-molly-coddled subclasses who don't work, and feed off this milk-train ... and Bingo you have a whole lotta people who are approaching their annual holiday in the wrong frame of mind.

The few wealthy, relaxed types seem to carry the can, probably go further afield .

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