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[Feisty]

however, actions of this kind are not governed by nationality, but by mindless hooliganism.

please don't classify all Brits in the same category.

The problem Skyvet is that is just what many of the people on this forum choose exactly to do.
It suits them to spout bile and consider all Brits the same and all Cypriots as angels who never commit crime.
Logic says that is not the case but logic is not convenient when they want to start conflict. Unfortunately without starting arguments and conflict on forums some of them have little in life.

[connor]

Depends on circumstances of course...but I have to agree with Feisty on the passengers point. How can passengers generally be held responsible for the actions of the driver...?

If when driving my car with my wife as a passenger I run someone down, either deliberately or accidentally, how could my wife be held responsible in any way whatsoever...?

[pantheman]

Feisty, Sorry but now you are just talking utter rubbish.

What you are trying to say is that a getaway car driver is innoncent when his gang of buddies robs a bank, come on, you know you are wrong.

That is the utter rubbish too. When people rob a bank they have all committed a crime prior to all getting in a getaway car. Whilst I would convict them of robbing a bank (if that were the case) I would not convict them, if I were on a jury, for the actions of the driver if he then crashed the car and the resultant consequences of that crash but my opinion I say ONCE AGAIN is not relevant here. The due process of the law is being gone through.

Sorry you are wrong again, they ALL went into the car with intention of causing injury to some cypriot. They all went into the vehicle with theirs eyes open and were not forced. They knew what they were going to do, and they succeeded. Now tell me that they are not guilty as the driver.

The purpose of mentioning turkey was not to get the 'Turkey' boot in, it was (as you chose to mis-interpret it) to show that people on athority in any country make decisions that are not favourable to everyone. Even in your own country. You are the one who brought the president into this and he has nothing to do with this.

[Feisty]

Feisty, Sorry but now you are just talking utter rubbish.

What you are trying to say is that a getaway car driver is innoncent when his gang of buddies robs a bank, come on, you know you are wrong.

That is the utter rubbish too. When people rob a bank they have all committed a crime prior to all getting in a getaway car. Whilst I would convict them of robbing a bank (if that were the case) I would not convict them, if I were on a jury, for the actions of the driver if he then crashed the car and the resultant consequences of that crash but my opinion I say ONCE AGAIN is not relevant here. The due process of the law is being gone through.

Sorry you are wrong again, they ALL went into the car with intention of causing injury to some cypriot. They all went into the vehicle with theirs eyes open and were not forced. They knew what they were going to do, and they succeeded. Now tell me that they are not guilty as the driver.

The purpose of mentioning turkey was not to get the 'Turkey' boot in, it was (as you chose to mis-interpret it) to show that people on athority in any country make decisions that are not favourable to everyone. Even in your own country. You are the one who brought the president into this and he has nothing to do with this.

How you can possibly say what their intent was is ridiculous Pantheman. Were you there?

[connor]

many of us that choose to live on this beautiful island respect the local culture and values.

But not many enough, most try to change them.

Floda I don't think the majority of foreigners living here deliberately try to change the Cypriots lifestyle....that lifestyle is probably what attracted them to come in the first place...however I think they will have some influence on the locals simply because they are living here.

In some cases that influence could be a good thing...admittedly in other cases it could be a bad thing.

[Feisty]

What does puzzle me about this case is the charge. Conspiracy to Commit Manslaughter. It is a contradiction in terms and that is probably one of the reasons why this case is being considered as a violation of human rights, apart from the fact that they were convicted without the opportunity to defend themselves.
Manslaughter is generally split into two categories ie Voluntary and Involuntary or to put it more simply, Provocation or Heat of the Moment (Crime of Passion).
It is however generally accepted that in cases of Manslaughter there is no prior planning and that is why it is not Murder. How you can conspire (ie plan) to not plan to kill or main someone is beyond my comprehension of the law and I await the outcome of this case with interest.

[pantheman]

Feisty, Sorry but now you are just talking utter rubbish.

What you are trying to say is that a getaway car driver is innoncent when his gang of buddies robs a bank, come on, you know you are wrong.

That is the utter rubbish too. When people rob a bank they have all committed a crime prior to all getting in a getaway car. Whilst I would convict them of robbing a bank (if that were the case) I would not convict them, if I were on a jury, for the actions of the driver if he then crashed the car and the resultant consequences of that crash but my opinion I say ONCE AGAIN is not relevant here. The due process of the law is being gone through.

Sorry you are wrong again, they ALL went into the car with intention of causing injury to some cypriot. They all went into the vehicle with theirs eyes open and were not forced. They knew what they were going to do, and they succeeded. Now tell me that they are not guilty as the driver.

The purpose of mentioning turkey was not to get the 'Turkey' boot in, it was (as you chose to mis-interpret it) to show that people on athority in any country make decisions that are not favourable to everyone. Even in your own country. You are the one who brought the president into this and he has nothing to do with this.

How you can possibly say what their intent was is ridiculous Pantheman. Were you there?

Feisty, stop it will you. These guys were not just on their way home and ran the boys down. They were involved in trouble at a club shortly before this incident, one of the nephews got slapped from some people (presumably cypriots) people and they went out on a REVENGE attack. If thats not intent then I don't know what is.

I do not intend to discuss the merits of this case, I only responded because your earlier post to oracle contained many deliberate inaccuracies.

Enough.

[Feisty]

Pantheman stop it will you. These two did not run anyone down and have not been charged with doing so!

I'm not discussing the merits of the case Pantheman, in fact that's exactly what I'm not doing. I'm content for it to follow the process of law through the courts and when it has been I will accept the decision. However, what I will never do is accept that it is any indictment on being British as the title of the thread suggests.

Enough.

[Floda]

Pantheman stop it will you. These two did not run anyone down and have not been charged with doing so!

I'm not discussing the merits of the case Pantheman, in fact that's exactly what I'm not doing. I'm content for it to follow the process of law through the courts and when it has been I will accept the decision. However, what I will never do is accept that it is any indictment on being British as the title of the thread suggests.

Enough.

Will you be pitching a tent anywhere to protest your points I wonder ?.

[Feisty]

That's strange Floda. Your posting style has a certain familiarity about it and yet you are a new member.
I don't think I'm protesting any points here anyway am I?
The due process of the law is under way and the case has been heard by two courts so far; one finding one way and one finding the other, just like people's opinions do. Pantheman 's opinion is that the driver of the car was being urged on to hit the moped, I am prepared to believe, until I hear otherwise, that the two passengers may have been so drunk they weren't even aware of what was going on, or that they may have been horrified by what was happening and urging him to stop. Only 3 people really know the answer to that absolutely and I am certainly not going to make any informed, or ill informed judgement either way. What happens in the next court may or may not be the end to the matter.
What I do find worrying about the whole matter is just the fact that passengers are being held responsible for the actions of the driver but it's not important enough to me at present to do anything.