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[halil]

I am in possession of a map of Cyprus issued by the Department of Lands and Surveys, Cyprus in 1975. On this map, all villages are colour coded to show the ethnic origins of their inhabitants as recorded in the 1960 census.

The village named Kazaphani on this map (Ozanköy) is shown in black. According to the legend, villages shown in black are mixed. It is thus perfectly plausible that property acquired in that village was sold by the Turkish Cypriot who had legal title to that property under the laws of the RoC. What is the issue with that?

Tim below map shows TC's or mixed villages location .As u can read from those places TC's were forced to left their homes .İ can get you their greek name of the villages as well.

Çatalköy =Agios Epiktitos
Vasilya(Karşıyaka )=Vasili
Lapta=Lapitos
Arapköy=Klepini
Yorgoz tepebaşı)=Diorios
Ayermola (Şirinevler)=Agios Ermolaos
İkidere=Dyo Potamai
Yılmazköy (Şüllira)=Skylloura
Ayvasıl (Türkeli)=Agios Vasileios
Omorfo (Güzelyurt)=Morfou
Gürpinar (Aymarina)=Agio Marina
Denya=Deneia
Akdeniz(Ayrini)=Agia Eirini

Tim from above map u can easily found out where about the TC's properties .
I didn't put all of their name here .

[CopperLine]

Find me a post on the forum which says "Yes I live in a GC-owned property in the occupied area" .... because I have never seen such an admission.

So far all have claimed to live in pre- 1974 TC-owned land/houses.

There is a logical error in your thinking. You are reasoning from the premise:

ALL FOREIGNERS WHO PARTICIPATE ON THIS FORUM AND WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC-OWNED PROPERTY

and the common sense assertion:

SOME FOREIGNERS WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS LIVE IN GC-OWNED PROPERTY

and conclude

ANY FOREIGNER WHO PARTICPATES ON THIS FORUM AND LIVES IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS MAY BE LYING IF THEY CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

This reasoning produces an acceptable generalisation, but proves nothing when applied to one particular instance. The attempt to do so involves deductive reasoning. You argue that this person may lying without first devising a testable hypothesis to determine whether or not they are lying, and so assume that they are in fact lying. Whereas, under the inductive reasoning that underlies scientific methodology, we start with individual cases and produce testable hypotheses in an attempt to prove or disprove them. Here the hypothesis is:

TESS LIVES IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

To argue, based on the apriori assumption that some foreigners may be lying when they claim to be living in TC owned property, that we may as well assume this to be the case here, is false. The above hypothesis is simply testable - records exist at the RoC Land Registry Office.

I don't know who first spotted it, but your logic and reasoning is not that of somebody who has been instilled with the intellectual rigour of the Western positivist scientific tradition, but hats off to them. You expose yourself as a fraud in claiming to have been a scientist by the very way you reason. There is no point wasting any more time with you.

Quite excellent Tim Drayton, you who have the patience of a saint.

[Tim Drayton]

Find me a post on the forum which says "Yes I live in a GC-owned property in the occupied area" .... because I have never seen such an admission.

So far all have claimed to live in pre- 1974 TC-owned land/houses.

There is a logical error in your thinking. You are reasoning from the premise:

ALL FOREIGNERS WHO PARTICIPATE ON THIS FORUM AND WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC-OWNED PROPERTY

and the common sense assertion:

SOME FOREIGNERS WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS LIVE IN GC-OWNED PROPERTY

and conclude

ANY FOREIGNER WHO PARTICPATES ON THIS FORUM AND LIVES IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS MAY BE LYING IF THEY CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

This reasoning produces an acceptable generalisation, but proves nothing when applied to one particular instance. The attempt to do so involves deductive reasoning. You argue that this person may lying without first devising a testable hypothesis to determine whether or not they are lying, and so assume that they are in fact lying. Whereas, under the inductive reasoning that underlies scientific methodology, we start with individual cases and produce testable hypotheses in an attempt to prove or disprove them. Here the hypothesis is:

TESS LIVES IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

To argue, based on the apriori assumption that some foreigners may be lying when they claim to be living in TC owned property, that we may as well assume this to be the case here, is false. The above hypothesis is simply testable - records exist at the RoC Land Registry Office.

I don't know who first spotted it, but your logic and reasoning is not that of somebody who has been instilled with the intellectual rigour of the Western positivist scientific tradition, but hats off to them. You expose yourself as a fraud in claiming to have been a scientist by the very way you reason. There is no point wasting any more time with you.

Quite excellent Tim Drayton, you who have the patience of a saint.

Thanks, and I may be wrong, but the unnamed soul to whom I take off my hat may be your good self.

[Oracle]

Both CopperLine and Tim appear to suffer from the same affliction, which is to make up assumptions to fit to the mouths of other posters; then nullify those very same assumptions by a convoluted "logic" for which, the rules, they self-deterministically assign.

In other words you, are both puffed-up, arrogant windbags who do not have a clue about scientific methodology but think you have sussed how to apply it, even to your own fallacies.

Tim ignored what I said ... made up his own "hypothesis" and sailed forth to discredit it himself. The other pseud agreed.

Well done in proving yourself wrong! But if you want to prove yourself scientific .... find that one post I requested. Make some observations that yield real results.

[pantheman]

Find me a post on the forum which says "Yes I live in a GC-owned property in the occupied area" .... because I have never seen such an admission.

So far all have claimed to live in pre- 1974 TC-owned land/houses.

There is a logical error in your thinking. You are reasoning from the premise:

ALL FOREIGNERS WHO PARTICIPATE ON THIS FORUM AND WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC-OWNED PROPERTY

and the common sense assertion:

SOME FOREIGNERS WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS LIVE IN GC-OWNED PROPERTY

and conclude

ANY FOREIGNER WHO PARTICPATES ON THIS FORUM AND LIVES IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS MAY BE LYING IF THEY CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

This reasoning produces an acceptable generalisation, but proves nothing when applied to one particular instance. The attempt to do so involves deductive reasoning. You argue that this person may lying without first devising a testable hypothesis to determine whether or not they are lying, and so assume that they are in fact lying. Whereas, under the inductive reasoning that underlies scientific methodology, we start with individual cases and produce testable hypotheses in an attempt to prove or disprove them. Here the hypothesis is:

TESS LIVES IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

To argue, based on the apriori assumption that some foreigners may be lying when they claim to be living in TC owned property, that we may as well assume this to be the case here, is false. The above hypothesis is simply testable - records exist at the RoC Land Registry Office.

I don't know who first spotted it, but your logic and reasoning is not that of somebody who has been instilled with the intellectual rigour of the Western positivist scientific tradition, but hats off to them. You expose yourself as a fraud in claiming to have been a scientist by the very way you reason. There is no point wasting any more time with you.

Quite excellent Tim Drayton, you who have the patience of a saint.

Thanks, and I may be wrong, but the unnamed soul to whom I take off my hat may be your good self.

Blind leading the blind, you guys are so funny, go on turk, pat another turk because you think you have scored.

The bottom line is, given that the T@#& is an illegal state and the fact that a foreigner chooses to go live there is enough to show their crookedness, irrespective of if they live in a pre 74 TC property or not.

They are supporting the illegal regime by their sheer presence, not to mention all the pro turkish postings they make.

It does not need any form of testing, scientific or otherwise, as the proof is in the living. Do these foreigners live in the occupied or not?

No = Good for they they have respect for human democratic rights.

Yes = They have no respect for no one knowingly going into a problem area and making any possible solution more difficult. Just shows them as cheap, lowdown, couldn't give a rats arse type of people.

Oracle is right every time about these people, they should all be ashamed, but then what do I expect from a couple of Turks patting each other. Go on get away.

[denizaksulu]

Find me a post on the forum which says "Yes I live in a GC-owned property in the occupied area" .... because I have never seen such an admission.

So far all have claimed to live in pre- 1974 TC-owned land/houses.

There is a logical error in your thinking. You are reasoning from the premise:

ALL FOREIGNERS WHO PARTICIPATE ON THIS FORUM AND WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC-OWNED PROPERTY

and the common sense assertion:

SOME FOREIGNERS WHO LIVE IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS LIVE IN GC-OWNED PROPERTY

and conclude

ANY FOREIGNER WHO PARTICPATES ON THIS FORUM AND LIVES IN THE OCCUPIED AREAS MAY BE LYING IF THEY CLAIM TO BE LIVING IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

This reasoning produces an acceptable generalisation, but proves nothing when applied to one particular instance. The attempt to do so involves deductive reasoning. You argue that this person may lying without first devising a testable hypothesis to determine whether or not they are lying, and so assume that they are in fact lying. Whereas, under the inductive reasoning that underlies scientific methodology, we start with individual cases and produce testable hypotheses in an attempt to prove or disprove them. Here the hypothesis is:

TESS LIVES IN TC OWNED PROPERTY

To argue, based on the apriori assumption that some foreigners may be lying when they claim to be living in TC owned property, that we may as well assume this to be the case here, is false. The above hypothesis is simply testable - records exist at the RoC Land Registry Office.

I don't know who first spotted it, but your logic and reasoning is not that of somebody who has been instilled with the intellectual rigour of the Western positivist scientific tradition, but hats off to them. You expose yourself as a fraud in claiming to have been a scientist by the very way you reason. There is no point wasting any more time with you.

Quite excellent Tim Drayton, you who have the patience of a saint.

Thanks, and I may be wrong, but the unnamed soul to whom I take off my hat may be your good self.

Blind leading the blind, you guys are so funny, go on turk, pat another turk because you think you have scored.

The bottom line is, given that the T@#& is an illegal state and the fact that a foreigner chooses to go live there is enough to show their crookedness, irrespective of if they live in a pre 74 TC property or not.

They are supporting the illegal regime by their sheer presence, not to mention all the pro turkish postings they make.

It does not need any form of testing, scientific or otherwise, as the proof is in the living. Do these foreigners live in the occupied or not?

No = Good for they they have respect for human democratic rights.

Yes = They have no respect for no one knowingly going into a problem area and making any possible solution more difficult. Just shows them as cheap, lowdown, couldn't give a rats arse type of people.

Oracle is right every time about these people, they should all be ashamed, but then what do I expect from a couple of Turks patting each other. Go on get away.

**** ***

[pantheman]

And the same to you Deniz, I am sure you can decipher your own **** ***

This is going to turn out to be a real turk patting thread, muahahahaha.

[halil]

İllegal and legal regimes are talking at same table as Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots communities

Security Council lauds launch of negotiations in reunifying Cyprus
The Security Council today warmly welcomed the launch of full-fledged negotiations between the leaders of the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities, aimed at the reunification of the island.

In a presidential statement the 15-member body praised the Greek Cypriot leader Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat for advancing discussions since their first meeting on 21 March.

“The Security Council calls on both sides to continue to work together in a constructive and positive manner in order to reach a comprehensive and durable settlement,” said Ambassador Michel Kafando of Burkina Faso, which holds the rotating Council presidency this month.

“The Security Council looks forward to progress in the negotiations and reiterates its readiness to support the process,” he added.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon`s recent appointment of Alexander Downer as his Special Adviser on Cyprus was also warmly received by the Security Council.

Today`s presidential statement echoes Mr. Ban`s message yesterday to the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot leaders in which he commended them “for their seriousness of purpose, sense of compromise and commitment to seeing the peace process through to a successful conclusion.”

UN News Centre

[pantheman]

:lol: İllegal and legal regimes are talking at same table as Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots communities

Security Council lauds launch of negotiations in reunifying Cyprus
The Security Council today warmly welcomed the launch of full-fledged negotiations between the leaders of the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities, aimed at the reunification of the island.

In a presidential statement the 15-member body praised the Greek Cypriot leader Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat for advancing discussions since their first meeting on 21 March.

“The Security Council calls on both sides to continue to work together in a constructive and positive manner in order to reach a comprehensive and durable settlement,” said Ambassador Michel Kafando of Burkina Faso, which holds the rotating Council presidency this month.

“The Security Council looks forward to progress in the negotiations and reiterates its readiness to support the process,” he added.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon`s recent appointment of Alexander Downer as his Special Adviser on Cyprus was also warmly received by the Security Council.

Today`s presidential statement echoes Mr. Ban`s message yesterday to the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot leaders in which he commended them “for their seriousness of purpose, sense of compromise and commitment to seeing the peace process through to a successful conclusion.”

UN News Centre

halil, tell us, why is it you only quote the UN when it just suits your needs? In case you haven't realised, but the UN has ordered Turkey to leave Cyprus, remove its troops and return to the RoC total juristiction of the WHOLE island.

perhaps you like to conveniently forget about the UN resolutions against you, but just like to spout the fact that the UN this and the UN that rubbish.

Please you must think the GCs are fools, we can see through your brain washing propoganda crap. I tell you what, how about Turkey obeys all UN resolutions (I won't even ask about the ECHR CoE) and we accept the UNs call for reunification talks?

Can you do that? Can you abide by any laws, perhaps not, didn't think so. therefore your posts are meaningless.

Have a nice ******* (in Deniz code format) day.

[halil]

have a nice day puntoman ......Turkey .....Turkey ..... Turkey ............

nightmare Turkey .............

UN ...........UN .............UN .................. Where were u UN ?


ECHR ...........ECHR .............ECHR ......Are u working only for one side ,definitely not .............than do something .....................

International justice ............... do some thing ................!!!!!!!