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[Oracle]

... all valid except being "muslim" shouldnt have any bearing on accession talks, thats called discrimination.

It's not discrimination.
It is the method of practicing secular democratic governments that Religion should not encroach on Law-making.

Turkey is still struggling to separate government from Islam (some 90 years since proclaiming secularism .... not yet achieved) because of the nature of the teachings of Islam.

[BC Numismatics]

Oracle,
The Republic of Ireland thinks it is a democracy,yet it still persists in discriminating against Protestants.I don't even understand why they were ever allowed to join the E.U.

Kosovo will one day join the E.U.,but firstly,it has to improve its way of governance so it can become a genuine democracy.

Corruption is a huge problem in many countries,including over here in New Zealand.In my view,the European Commission is so morally bankrupt beyond belief.

Aidan.

[humanist]

I do not believe that Cyprus and Greece will not block Turkey's accession to EU. That is not to say that other countries like France may not.

[Oracle]

Oracle,
The Republic of Ireland thinks it is a democracy,yet it still persists in discriminating against Protestants.I don't even understand why they were ever allowed to join the E.U.

Kosovo will one day join the E.U.,but firstly,it has to improve its way of governance so it can become a genuine democracy.

Corruption is a huge problem in many countries,including over here in New Zealand.In my view,the European Commission is so morally bankrupt beyond belief.

Aidan.

I don't think it has institutionalised discrimination against Protestants. But don't forget they are there in much the same capacity as Turks are in Cyprus.

[Cem]

Big Al, the truth is that there is no chance that Turkey can become a full member of EU in the near future.

Wow, what a big discovery ! Tell us something new, we know that...

Cyprus would probably be the only safe country from being flooded by Turks, since in any unification agreement there will be an explicit restriction on the amount of Turks that can settle here.

I am afraid you are only thinking in terms of mainland turks. You can not keep diaspora TCs from re-settling back here following a solution to CyProb and only in the U.K there must be > 100.000 TCs. Not all will return, but some % will. Same for Aussie and Canadian TCs as well.

On the other hand, what about substantial numbers of E.U Turks- citizens by naturalization of their host countries such as Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, etc..- who may want to expand their business into RoC ? Don’t panic, it won’t be a imperial expansion you fear . Simply what is to keep the mini-businessman E.U turks such as patrons of kebap and lahmadjoun chains and tapestry stores and merchants of fruit/vegetables ?? Following solution, Cyrprus will be very attractive for them for many reasons: 1) Proximity to Turkey 2) High per-capita income representing a higher purchasing power of locals thus an attractive market ,i.e higher than many other E.U states 3) Existence of a resident turkish-speaking community speaking their language(TC).

I suspect that in the case of unification Cyprus will be the biggest supporter of the Turkish EU accession.

Oh, thank you ! Thank you, they will be grateful to GCs for that.

Firstly because we would have already made an agreement regarding the amount of Turks that can come here, secondly because Greek Cypriots will want Turkey to be under the EU and therefore less aggressive and less possible to create problems, and thirdly because of the TCs who will want Turkey in EU for obvious reasons.

That rhetoric may be valid as long as Turkey is committed to her EU ideal, I mean her dream. If one day, it falls by wayside, then no one can predict what might happen.

But most of the rest of the EU countries will not accept Turkey in EU. Eastern Turkey has millions of poor Turks/Kurds who will no doubt flood the other EU countries if Turkey joins the EU. Those people not only they are poor, but unlike say the Eastern Europeans, they are much less educated, they are Muslim, and they are not really European so the other EU countries are afraid that those people not only they will move in EU by the millions, but due to their huge differences from the rest of the Europeans they will not be able to assimilate and blend in, somehting that can create ghettos and other problems.

Moreover, the EU parliament will be predominantly muslim in case Turkey joins EU. And not a single Euro state will accept that. The problems you cite above are only the tip of the iceberg. The biggest issue in Turkey's EU path is cultural differences. While in Turkey, there are very well educated, free-minded people open to any discussion whatsoever, the majority is fettered either by ultra-nationalism, jingoism and worse still, islamic fundamentalism. EU is built, as I indicated in my early posts, on judeo-christian values. While its members, starting with the britts, have worst history of colonization and exploitation of other nations in their filthy past, inside the EU zone, there are now generally accepted principles of human rights and tolerance.

Only if/when Turkey manages to bring the standards of its population (the whole of it, not just the western part) to a European level they will be allowed to join the EU.

...which will never happen..... can't simply happen under increasing influence of islam afflicting greater part of its society.

I think the best Turkey can do now is to continue its accession process so EU can help Turkey to come to European standards. But this is something that will take several decades, and only if the Turks are willing to make the progress that is required. Meanwhile maybe some special status can be given to Turkey, something like "half-accession" which will not include the free movement part. But even for that to happen the Cyprus problem and the problems with Greece in Aegean need to be solved

EU neither will help nor has any wish to do it so. Otherwise, she wouldn't support an islamic-minded government which has been trying impose a lifestyle on turkish society which is diametrically opposed to euro-values and traditions. Where do you see women treated merely as a breeding instrument but not as men's equal ??
Time only will show the price that they will have to pay for their hypocrisy.
BTW, for our dyed-in-the wool pro-hellenic friends, a sample of cute reminder of EU turks installing their business in ROC.

[BC Numismatics]

Cem,
The British were actually the best administrators.You're forgetting one thing - the British were the first colonial power to stamp out the slave trade.

The French still had slavery in their colonies right up until the 1950's.

Aidan.

[Paphitis]

Cem,
The British were actually the best administrators.You're forgetting one thing - the British were the first colonial power to stamp out the slave trade.

The French still had slavery in their colonies right up until the 1950's.

It goes to prove that YOU ARE a scummy Turk - dumb as well as thick!

What a wanker!

Aidan.

What is it with you and the British, the CW and the Queen?

Do you also like sheep?

[BC Numismatics]

Paphitis,
Stop asking stupid questions! The Queen has done more good than any politician could ever do.She is the Head of the British Commonwealth as well as my reigning monarch,considering that I live in a Dominion.

Aidan.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis,
Stop asking stupid questions! The Queen has done more good than any politician could ever do.She is the Head of the British Commonwealth as well as my reigning monarch,considering that I live in a Dominion.

Aidan.

Stay tuned then for my next topic. You will find it very interesting!

[Piratis]

Cem, there is no problem with TCs that live abroad returning to Cyprus after a solution. We have many times more GCs that live abroad and they could return too, especially if they can return to their own homes. There are over 200.000 GCs in London area alone.

I doubt that Cyprus will be attractive to Turks that are citizens of other European countries. A few can come, but don't expect any mass movement. Cyprus has high standards but not as high as Germany or some other countries that those Turks went. If they wanted to come to Cyprus using their EU member state citizenship they could have done so since 2004. So I don't worry about them.