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[gabaston]

Thankx for your inferred ignorance. Gc's underestimation has always been tc's greatest asset, so please continue with the same thought patterns.

[negotiator]

[quote="suetoniuspaulinus"]Mr Piratis


What is also a fact is that there existed a system of , well what can only be described as Apartheitd. Turkish speakers were OK as labourers. cleaners and generally holders of menial work. They were afraid to go into the beautiful harbour of Kyrenia and indeed were obliged to swim in separate parts of the Mediterranean sea. so as not to contaminate Greek speakers.

I believe that this attitude to poor cousins is still strong in the RoC today.

Perhaps not your fault but this is probably what your papa told you to be true and so you go on believing it. Irrespective of changes in the world and outdated ideoligies.

Here here, u are right that is the issue TC have been seen and still are seen as being inferior to the GCs by the RoC. Untill this attitude changes then we are stuck in this awful rut

[MicAtCyp]

well im quite happy to pay the price for the land i have been allocated in the north with what i leave in the south, which as ive said is three times the value.

Sir,
The TCs left behind 1/3rd of land area-wise compared to what they grabbed in the occupied areas and that land value-wise worths 1/20th of what you grabbed. Now can you explain me how come each and every TC comes here telling us that he left behind more property than what he got?????

"By the time Turkey gets here there will be no turkish cypriots left to save".
Broadcast to the world in 1074.

Gabaston that was not in 1974!!! It was in the 60s. That statement was simply a waring. The situation was such that if Turkey invaded perhaps Grivas would kill all the TCs.
However what happened in reality???
In 1974 some idiots still remembered that statement.So they went to 4 TC villages (Tohni,Aloa,Sandalar and another one) and massacred some TCs.However the total number was only 189 persons! Compared that to the 6000 GCs who were killed in 1974, to the thousands of women raped to the hundreds of missing persons etc etc....
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Simply it will be the will of Greece, EU. America. Turkey. UN. or other super power UNLESS the Cypriots can reach an agreement first.

It's been a long time since I heard a good argument in this forum.You are absolutely right dude.

[negotiator]

So reach an agreement by moving on rather than throwing stones of what you think happened or did not happen

[Main_Source]

"By the time Turkey gets here there will be no turkish cypriots left to save".

Broadcast to the world in 1074.

myth, lie, propaganda, or fact?

I have quotes from Prime-ministers, please dont ask for those too, you'll be embarresed.


anyway good night

Was this while Makarios in exile in the Seychelles?? Also, can we have the source where this quote was taken and your other quotes too?

and APARTHAID!?...Get fuking real and stop pulling words out of the air. You'll say anything to make legal the Turkish invasion.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Main-Source wrote

and APARTHAID!?...Get fuking real and stop pulling words out of the air. You'll say anything to make legal the Turkish invasion.

Mr Main-Source

I am real.

Can I assume from your comment that it is possible that you disbelieve me?

I was not trying to justify Turkish Mainland intervention in 1974. I do not have to.

What I was pointing out was the historic attitude of GC's to TC's ESPECIALLY in the northern part of Cyprus, pre 1974.

I can also apprteciate that this might make you feel uncomfortable, but do not neccessarily take my word for it. Ask a GC who was living in Kyrenia '55 - '74 and you might be surprised at what you are told.

[gabaston]

MicAtCyp
I cant answer your question on behalf of us all, but in my case In the south I have one and a half plots of prime building land in a city center, and had a house, that’s now a new tarmac road in a village, together with about another scattered four plots of arable in and around a village. In the north I have been given two plots of building land.
You tell me……………….….


Quotes? Certainly..
“Genocide Files” by Harry “Scott’” Gibbons - Foreign Affairs Correspondent for London Daily Express – recommended reading foe those with the stomach for such things.

Other quotes? I don’t think I reffered to any, but since you asked, how about this one from Sampson
"Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus”.
And one referring to His Beatitude Archbishop Makarios
"I was convinced that if Archbishop Makarios could not bring himself to treat the Turkish Cypriots as human beings he was inviting the invasion and partition of the island." Sir Alec Douglass Hume British Prime Minister.

Or this one about the legality issue pertaining the invasion.
"In order to protect the Turkish Cypriots, Turkey intervened in exercise of her rights under article 4 of the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee. No one has ever suggested that was illegal but they have gone on to say that the continuing use of troops, not to restore the 1960 Constitution but to enforce partition was illegal.
But does this not ignore the reality of the situation? In law it is said that the Turks were invoking the Guarantee; but to say that they were obliged to work for no result except the restoration of the 1960 Constitution is absurd. That Constitution had ceased to exist. The reconciliation of the law with the actual political situation, or indeed with ordinary common sense, was becoming more difficult. The Turks came to protect the lives of the Turkish Cypriots and they had good reason to know that the restoration of the 1960 Constitution was not the way to do that. The only way to do that was with troops on the ground."
"Turkey intervened to protect the lives and property of the Turkish-Cypriots, and to its credit it has done just that. In the 12 years since, there have been no killings and no massacres" Lord Willis (Lab.) House of Lords 17th December 1986

Regarding the deaths that occurred during the invasion, I have mentioned this twice in this thread. Most were gc, estimates range up to six thousand. I stated multiple thousands. This was in response to the statement of "justice for turkish cypriots" . I asked "what took you so long"?
And why did we had to endure forty years of issolation, planned genocides, our deaths, gc deaths, and a multitude of other inhumanities?

Now it appears that justice takes the form of demolishing half of Cyprus.

[magikthrill]

Mr Piratis


What is also a fact is that there existed a system of , well what can only be described as Apartheitd. Turkish speakers were OK as labourers. cleaners and generally holders of menial work. They were afraid to go into the beautiful harbour of Kyrenia and indeed were obliged to swim in separate parts of the Mediterranean sea. so as not to contaminate Greek speakers.

I believe that this attitude to poor cousins is still strong in the RoC today.

Perhaps not your fault but this is probably what your papa told you to be true and so you go on believing it. Irrespective of changes in the world and outdated ideoligies.

Here here, u are right that is the issue TC have been seen and still are seen as being inferior to the GCs by the RoC. Untill this attitude changes then we are stuck in this awful rut

i have no reason to accept or disclaim this as your fact but you are saying the only way to correct apartheid is by imposing it to the other side?

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Magikthrill

No Sir

This is not what I am saying at all. Apartheitd was an evil which existed in South Africa. A system which accepted the fact of second class citizens. A bit like America in the 60's where black people had to sit in the back of the bus etc.

This was also the attitude of GC's to TC's in Cyprus pre '74. It probably is the same today.

It is a belief system based primarily on an assumption of Supremacy and also Ignorance and Bigotry.

These characteristics, I am sure,exist on both sides of the Green Line TODAY.
( Green Lanes as well?)

Returning to my original point. that when they had the opportunitythe GC's used their Economic and Political supremacy to supress TC's in the 60's.

What is to stop them doing so again.

[magikthrill]

suet,

if you limit the amount of a certain ethnic group can reside and/or vote in their own country then this is Apartheid.