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Postby gabaston » Mon May 16, 2005 2:34 am

negotiator

you ask for quotes huh? right how about this one from Makarios. please correct me if i am wrong

"By the time Turkey gets here there will be no turkish cypriots left to save".

Broadcast to the world in 1074.

myth, lie, propaganda, or fact?

I have quotes from Prime-ministers, please dont ask for those too, you'll be embarresed.


anyway good night
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Postby gabaston » Mon May 16, 2005 2:36 am

oops

that 1974 of course

good night
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Postby Piratis » Mon May 16, 2005 2:37 am

call that fact fiction story novel dream what u like


A fact is something that happened. Which is the ethnic cleansing that you performed against GCs.

The excuses that you give are just that: excuses, not facts.
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Postby negotiator » Mon May 16, 2005 2:39 am

There no fact or evidence to support Genocide. If there was then the issue would be a different matter!
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Postby Piratis » Mon May 16, 2005 2:45 am

negotiator, are you replying to me? Because I am talking about the ethnic cleansing that Turkey performed in the occupied Cyprus.
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Postby negotiator » Mon May 16, 2005 2:48 am

Oh yes I am give me FACTS, have any war crimes ever been bought up in any court of law?
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Mon May 16, 2005 7:55 am

Oh yes I am give me FACTS, have any war crimes ever been bought up in any court of law?



Fact is often stranger than Fiction. Unfortunately our cousins in RoC have a far more fertile imagination than we poor uneducated peasants in the North.

It is highly liokely that their history books offer a different version of life in Cyprus from 1956 to the present day than that which we believe to be true.

See the International Press of 74. and then admire their Propoganda Machine in changing world opinion to regard their history as the "truth". The use of such skill can only be regarded as outstanding. Trouble is......that many of our cousins began to believe their own Propoganda.

It may be that we are guilty of the same errors of judgement as our cousins but from some of the postings on this site it would appear that there exists more hatred on their side than on ours. After all they lost the war they started. But that just brings us round full circle.I apologise to all for stating what may seem to be the obvious, but facts and figures will play no role in any settlement agreement on Cyprus.

Simply it will be the will of Greece, EU. America. Turkey. UN. or other super power UNLESS
the Cypriots can reach an agreement first. I do not believe this will be possible until there is a fundamental change in the attitude of our southern cousins towards us peasants in the north.

I offer only my humble opinion. my point of view and I do hope that I have offended neither northern nor southern cousins.

Isn't it strange that during 9,000 years of civilisation on this island , the "Cypriots" have only managed to rule themselves for 3 (THREE) of those years?

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Postby Piratis » Mon May 16, 2005 8:11 am

So, what exactly is imagination? The fact that until 74 the majority of residence in the now occupied areas were Greek Cypriots? Or the fact that those people were forced out of their homes by the Turkish army?


What is imaginary are the excuses that you give to excuse your crimes. However excuses are not enough to legalize what is illegal.
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Mon May 16, 2005 8:37 am

Mr Piratis

What you say is true. The majority of the north was in Greek speaking cypriot ownership. There were some Turkish villages and some mixed villages but still the majority of property was greek owned. This is a fact. A truth.

What is also a fact is that there existed a system of , well what can only be described as Apartheitd. Turkish speakers were OK as labourers. cleaners and generally holders of menial work. They were afraid to go into the beautiful harbour of Kyrenia and indeed were obliged to swim in separate parts of the Mediterranean sea. so as not to contaminate Greek speakers.

I believe that this attitude to poor cousins is still strong in the RoC today.

Perhaps not your fault but this is probably what your papa told you to be true and so you go on believing it. Irrespective of changes in the world and outdated ideoligies.

What is legal and illegal is sometimes obvious. but we still have to pay lawyers to do our legal battling in the courts.They never suggest that you might lose the case.

Sir. I am certain you have good reason to be angry. All I am suggesting is that this anger will make you ill. Calm down. Not too much otherwise I shall miss your invective.

What happens and what will happen in cyprus is down to how both sides influence the major decision makers. NOT you and not me.

Thankfully the results of the referendum that was held has managed to persuade some that not all good Turks are dead Turks.

Again Sir, my point is that truth can only be judged from your perspective.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Mon May 16, 2005 2:38 pm

gabaston wrote:..... 200000 refugees.....


Ha,ha, ha this guy came from the outer space! Doesn’t even know which numbers refer to whom....

wrote: forty years of oppression and depravity


What’s wrong dude, din’t the "trnc" bussiness go as well as planned?
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