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Postby insan » Sat May 14, 2005 4:43 pm

brother wrote:Yes..where is piratis and insan lately, are most prolific members are missing.


I'm always somewhere in your network bro. ;)


As for the article written by munir; I don't think the properties sold to foreigners amounts %1 of the properties theoretically belong to TCs. Imagine exchange of properties was done; TCs are inhabiting on %29 of the Nortrh and some %16 of properties are owned by TCs, some %2 is owned by foreigners and some %11 is owned by GCs. Although I have no information about how much land privately given to TCs, settlers and foreigners but I don't think it is more than %9 of the %36.

As long as half of the North is preserved for GCs; it won't be a big problem to solve the properties issue. Under the circumstances of past 30 years noone can expect TCs not to sell a certain amount of properties to the foreigners or not to build new houses on GC land. Noone can force ant TC to evacuate the properties in North and return to South. If someday Cyprus becomes a Hellen dominated Island we are all sure that all of the TCs who "occupies" any GC property would be forced to evacuate it.

The elected representatives of two communities can form a bi-communal interim representatives assembly in order to first resolve the territorial adjustment and properties issues before negotiating a comprehensive solution. Otherwise, there will be no step forward until the ww3 outbrakes.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat May 14, 2005 10:41 pm

Metecyp wrote: Do you
know if there was anything special about their case? I
mean maybe they had some special treatment that wasn't
covered with the free healtcare provided? Do you know
any other TCs who got "free healthcare" and got billed
afterwards recently? I'll be disgusted if this turns out
to be true in large scale.


Metecyp out of 29,000 TCs patients only 15 bills were sent. And they concern specifically those TCs who refused to show their RoC ID, or did not have any. In other words it's like they were saying to RoC: Treat me, but I am not YOUR citizen.
The message RoC sent is this: Well if it's so, OK we will treat you but you will have to pay. If you don't want to pay, then don't come again.
I am not surprised Viewpoints relative was one of them, certain things run familywise you know.

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Turkcyp wrote: Better wages: Answered above to boulio. RoC did not
provide that. The fact is private companies are more
than willing to accept TC labor because they ask less
money then GCs and TC are more than willing to accept
because even less money compared to GCs I smore money
compared to averages I north. So it is not a good will
gesture by RoC. It is purely economical decision made by
GC private companies because it furthers their profits.
(do not get me wrong I am not complaining but it is what
it is.)


Sorry Turkcyp you are totally wrong!
It is RoC who is forcing the Contractors to get TCs.According to the law if there is demand from Cypriots for work, no licence is given to them to import cheap labour from abroad. In this respect the demand comes from Cypriots 30% of which are GCs and 70% TCs.If the TCs were excluded then the contruction industry would be flooded with Asians getting 1/3rd to 1/6th of the salary!
The second faulty idea you have is the low salaries compared to what the GCs get. I personally checked this matter and for your information the Ministry of labour officers are roaming all construction sites to make sure about the salaries and the social insurance of TC employees.The TCs get exactly the same salary as a GC and this is as follows:
130 pounds per week (550 per month) unskilled workers
160 pounds per week (670 per month) semi-skilled workers
200-220 pounds per week (840-925 per month) skilled workers.

Add to that 13.5% social Insurance and some 7% for other benefits like provident fund etc

On the average about 60% of the TCs are unskilled, and only 10-20% are skilled.Among the Gcs working at the contruction sites though, you can hardly find anyone who is unskilled! What I understand the TCs (most of which are unskilled) complain about is that they get half the salaries than the skilled ones.Well, if they have any suggestions they better say them....

Do you know how much a Sri Lankan or a Pakistani would get? 150 pounds a month!! Whatever his skills might be....

Another thing I noticed is that TC companies started acting like contractors themselves.And they employ their own TC people....

Please do look at the matter in it's true dimentions. In the end yes there is good will by RoC, and there is good will by the employers too. I would say there is good will by the TC workers too. And if you care to hear something the employers say the TCs are equally good like the GCs in their work. Contrary to the work of the Pontians they say....

wrote: AS far as I know these people that work in the
south is not even covered by social security, (I may be
wrong but may be you can enlighten me)


You are partly wrong. Some TCs prefer don't want to have social Insurance or other benefits.So they tell the employer "give me 50 pounds a month more" and forget about it. Some 6 months ago 50% of the TCs were doing it.Now with the very frequent checks of the Ministry this percentage is getiing down.

The fact is although our side does even show whatever good will it can, do we even see the slightest good will from your side????

And by the way do you know that I myself and ALL my family am not allowed free medical care? Why should any TC even the millionaires have free medical care and I myself who pay taxes am NOT allowed just because my salary is above poverty level???? And more than half the GCs are in the same position like me! Can you just stop and think how I feel? And most TCs who come to the hospitals are not for simple flues you know.They are for extremely expensive treatments like cancer etc. Do you know how much a GC cancer patient has to pay in private clinics to get some more days of life? It is no less than 20,000 pounds....and I know this from my father in law who died last year.

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Anglo wrote: The UK was going to pay 31 million Euros and Turkey was
going to be supported by the world bank


Do you know what fraction is that compared to the 16 billions required? 1/516th !!!! And that was as per Anan Plan.Imagine how much it is today with all those sales of GC properties
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Postby -mikkie2- » Sun May 15, 2005 1:58 am

Thanks MicAtCyp for confirming my previous arguments.

If only people could take off their blinkers sometimes and actually see things as they are, not as they precieve them.
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Postby metecyp » Sun May 15, 2005 6:13 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:Metecyp out of 29,000 TCs patients only 15 bills were sent. And they concern specifically those TCs who refused to show their RoC ID, or did not have any. In other words it's like they were saying to RoC: Treat me, but I am not YOUR citizen.
The message RoC sent is this: Well if it's so, OK we will treat you but you will have to pay. If you don't want to pay, then don't come again.
I am not surprised Viewpoints relative was one of them, certain things run familywise you know.

Ok, this is what I suspected anyway.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 15, 2005 6:20 pm

Since 2003, 2000 Greek Cypriots have been treated in hospitals in the TRNC for free :) how can someone get treatment in a hospital they dont recognize???from doctors that dont exist??? very weird that :shock:
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Postby garbitsch » Sun May 15, 2005 6:20 pm

My friend's sister was treated at the hospital in south and she only had TRNC id card. They didn't ask for RoC ID, and she didn't pay any fees. How could this be possible then? Sending bills and not showing ID cards have no relation. How did the hospital let these people to be treated without an ID card? I am a bit confused!
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Postby garbitsch » Sun May 15, 2005 6:22 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Since 2003, 2000 Greek Cypriots have been treated in hospitals in the TRNC for free :) how can someone get treatment in a hospital they dont recognize???from doctors that dont exist??? very weird that :shock:


WTF? :twisted:
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Postby gabaston » Sun May 15, 2005 6:22 pm

Ok if all the land is exchanged

what happens to my land in the south, because where there was a house now there is no house, it' s been demolished and now i've got a road instead. Will RoC dig up the remove the road, re-build a house, and pay me compensation, or what?
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Postby garbitsch » Sun May 15, 2005 6:25 pm

gabaston, we have the same problem here. My dad's two storeyed house with a little shop attached to it was demolished for some reason (they were not muddy by the way). Now the land is kept as a car park and we do not know if the RoC govt keeps the compensation money for us. Who knows - cares about Turkish properties in south. What only matters is the Greek properties in North.
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Postby gabaston » Sun May 15, 2005 6:28 pm

ok

got it...

thanks
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