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Papadopoulos got his wish

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Postby BC Numismatics » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:16 am

Piratis,
The Canadian confederal system would be better for Cyprus - divided into 10 autonomous provinces with their own legislatures,court systems,& Governors,plus a bicameral Parliament (House of Assembly & Senate) would be sitting in Nicosia.

The highest court should be the Constitutional Court of Cyprus,which should have judges from both Cyprus & other British Commonwealth member states.The Supreme Court of Cyprus would be subordinate to the Constitutional Court.

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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:32 am

DT said:

"I'd be careful if I were you. You run the risk of being labelled a fascist by bananiot with this attitude."

Aren't I arleady?
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Postby DT. » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:37 am

Nikitas wrote:DT said:

"I'd be careful if I were you. You run the risk of being labelled a fascist by bananiot with this attitude."

Aren't I arleady?


In my eyes you're no better than Goebbels.
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Postby halil » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:17 pm

You can say whats all about this Halil,
its all about to remind something and we will figure out Papadoulos wish or Talat wish or TC's or Turkey wish............

on 16 august 1960 Cyprus became an Independent republic.
Republic constition said for the election of GC's president and TC's Vise president by their respective communities.Each was given equal vote power over legistlation.Seats in parliment were divided on a proportional basis with 35 GC's and 15 TC's members.
Position within the cabinet were also divided along ethnic lines.
Seperate municipalities were established in the cyprus major cities.
Appointments to civil service were to be given on a 70:30 ratio and army was composed of 60 % GC and 40% TC .
seperatr and mixed court were also established .

On August 17 the Cyprus Republic entered in 3 formal agreements with UK,Greece ,Turkey designed to regulate its international position and guarantee the 1959 settlement. Under the treaty of establishment the British retained sovereign rights to two bases on the island.A treaty of alliance among Cyprus ,Greece and turkey provided for mutual defence assistance between 3 states and permitted Greece and Turkey to station small detacments on Cyprus.Under the treaty of guarantee the four states agreed to safeguard Cyprus independence and territorial integrity and forbade the union of Cyprus with either Greece or Turkey .
The compromise worked out by the UK,Greece and Turkey was only reluctantly accepted by the GC and TC's communities.

The success of the Cyprus Republic rested directly on ability of Cypriots to cooperate in turning complex consitutional arrangements into a working political system which safeguarded the Turkish Cypriot minority while respecting the rights of the GC majority.

Unforttuanetly , disagreements immediatly arose between the 2 communities over the nature of the state .

GC's insisted that the Cyprus republic must be unitary state in which the majority ruled and minority while enjoying equal rights and even special projectiones conformed .TC's viewd the Republic as a federation of 2 distinct peoples(Communties) in which goverment actiones required the majority endorsement of both.

from above comments TC's are very carefull this time ...........
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:58 pm

DT said ;

"In my eyes you're no better than Goebbels."

That good, huh!
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Postby DT. » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:02 pm

Nikitas wrote:DT said ;

"In my eyes you're no better than Goebbels."

That good, huh!


a veteran lawyer with time on his hands? This is how trouble starts.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:05 pm

I stopped practicing law when still young, and moved over to journalism. So I may be a veteran but not a lawyer. And not pensioned yet so there is not much time on my hands.

But on the whole, I enjoy stirring it.
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Postby Cem » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:24 pm

Piratis wrote:
Still no one can explain the difference between BBF and partition.


It all depends on what version of "BBF" you are talking about. If you are talking about the Turkish version or the Annan plan, then there is not much difference. The only difference is that Turks not only would fully control the north, but they would also be able to control Cyprus as a whole as well.

But a BBF with the right content, which is the one we are willing to accept, is not partition.

The right content is:

1) Proportional land distribution 18%/82%.
2) Two Cypriot states, with exactly the same internal constidution and powers, equal to each other, with only difference that one state will have TC majority and the other a GC majority. No mention about Greek or Turkish.
3) The powers of the two states will be limited to some internal issues.
4) The central goverment, like in all federations, will be above the states and have authority over them for the important issues, and this goverment will be elected democratically by the Cypriot people as a whole.

If you see the system of the USA it is not much different from what I describe above.


Piratis, good post.
If a solution will come about around the lines you state above, then I support that.
One thing, my ideal scheme would be E.U replacing Turkey at the end of 10 years as the sole guarantor for the whole of the island.
Any objections ?
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