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[miltiades]

I must admit i am pleasantly suprised that every GC so far has expressed their willingness to have the anthem changed to be either neutral or inclusive of both turkish and greek lyrics. Although we havent heard from Oracle and a few other yet.

Well you can hear from me right now. You for starters have absolutely no say in what flag or national anthem represents the Cypriot people , G/Cs T/Cs Maronites , Armenians and others. As you can see you are a foreigner amongst the Cypriot people, you are flying the flag of a foreign nation that most certainly does not represent the Cypriot people.
Back to the flags now . The present ROC flag was designed by a T/C , it was the first flag attributed to the RoC. Most of us who wish to see a solution and a reunification must accept that while the RoC flag is acceptable to the vast majority of Cypriots it is more than likely that the other communities might not be so receptive of the idea. Let us therefore modify our current flag and provided we avoid any contents that are representative of the two nations , foreign nations , ie Turkey and Greece , then I'm certain our people will come to a solution on the flag problem. As for the national anthem , the answer is obvious . No bloody words !!
ps. If it was up to me I would make it universally illegal to fly bloody rugs that have been responsible for inciting people throughout history to commit the most barbaric acts in the name of a f..ng piece of cloth . Tribalistic and utterly out of place in the 21st century. The more backward a nation is the more prominent the display of flags is.

[Piratis]

Im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that if you were to take Turkey and Greece out of the equation it makes GC's a large majority to do with Cyprus and TC's as they please. Turkey is there to protect the interests of an outnumbered and outgunned minority, its as simple easy that. If if the two leaders do get somewhere with these talks Turkey must maintain some sort of presence in cyprus for the protection of TC's. Things cannot go back to the way they were pre 1974.

Excuses. Why for example you would feel threatened in a demilitarized Cyprus where the role of guarantors was played by EU and NATO? And Greece and Turkey could be part of that NATO force.

Turkey simply wants to maintain its control and influence over Cyprus. The way now they control Talat like their puppet, they want to be able to do the same with the president of a united Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

How English represents everyone? Even if many Cypriots speak English as a second language this doesn't mean this language represents them. Maybe you think like that because you live in Australia and English might even be your main language, but this is not the case for most Cypriots in Cyprus.

Just because the anthem will be in the English language, does not mean that the words will not be stirring and inspiring to Cypriots.

It sure as hell beats having a national anthem in Greek, Turkish, Armenian, and Syriac! And an anthem with no lyrics is just music, it is not an anthem that inspires pride in our nation.

Perhaps you can provide some alternatives, besides recommending having an anthem in Persian or Farsi!!

[Paphitis]

DT.,
The Cypriot national anthem should be in 3 versions,which would all be official - Cypriot Greek (as opposed to Hellenic Greek),Cypriot Turkish (as opposed to Anatolian Turkish),& English.South Africa's old national anthem was known as 'Die Stem Van Suid-Afrika' in Afrikaans,& 'The Call of South Africa' in English.

The Cypriot national anthem should reflect its distinctiveness,plus its heritage as a British Commonwealth member state.

Aidan.

If the anthem depicts any British Colonial reminders, I will never stand at attention to it, but would vomit!

Did I ever mention that I am of the opinion that Queen Elizabeth should be facing murder charges over the murder of Pallikaridi?

[Agios Ionas]

The more backward a nation is the more prominent the display of flags is.

So one of the most backward nations in the world is the good ol' US of A then? Sorry, but someone had to say it.

[Paphitis]

I must admit i am pleasantly suprised that every GC so far has expressed their willingness to have the anthem changed to be either neutral or inclusive of both turkish and greek lyrics. Although we havent heard from Oracle and a few other yet.

Well you can hear from me right now. You for starters have absolutely no say in what flag or national anthem represents the Cypriot people , G/Cs T/Cs Maronites , Armenians and others. As you can see you are a foreigner amongst the Cypriot people, you are flying the flag of a foreign nation that most certainly does not represent the Cypriot people.
Back to the flags now . The present ROC flag was designed by a T/C , it was the first flag attributed to the RoC. Most of us who wish to see a solution and a reunification must accept that while the RoC flag is acceptable to the vast majority of Cypriots it is more than likely that the other communities might not be so receptive of the idea. Let us therefore modify our current flag and provided we avoid any contents that are representative of the two nations , foreign nations , ie Turkey and Greece , then I'm certain our people will come to a solution on the flag problem. As for the national anthem , the answer is obvious . No bloody words !!
ps. If it was up to me I would make it universally illegal to fly bloody rugs that have been responsible for inciting people throughout history to commit the most barbaric acts in the name of a f..ng piece of cloth . Tribalistic and utterly out of place in the 21st century. The more backward a nation is the more prominent the display of flags is.

Miltiades, are you saying that the mighty USA is a backward country?

[Piratis]

How English represents everyone? Even if many Cypriots speak English as a second language this doesn't mean this language represents them. Maybe you think like that because you live in Australia and English might even be your main language, but this is not the case for most Cypriots in Cyprus.

Just because the anthem will be in the English language, does not mean that the words will not be stirring and inspiring to Cypriots.

It sure as hell beats having a national anthem in Greek, Turkish, Armenian, and Syriac! And an anthem with no lyrics is just music, it is not an anthem that inspires pride in our nation.

Perhaps you can provide some alternatives, besides recommending having an anthem in Persian or Farsi!!

Anthem with no lyrics or two different versions of Lyrics is fine.

Probably the best way is no Lyrics.

Lets face some facts, Cyprus as a separate country exists exclusively due to the interests of Turkey and the UK, not due to the desires of the Cypriot people. Also what we have now and what we will have after some solution is not going to be full independence. Also I am afraid that even democracy will be bastardized due to the Turkish demands.

So what are we going to sing about in the anthem? About souvla, zivania and trahanas?

[Paphitis]

How English represents everyone? Even if many Cypriots speak English as a second language this doesn't mean this language represents them. Maybe you think like that because you live in Australia and English might even be your main language, but this is not the case for most Cypriots in Cyprus.

Just because the anthem will be in the English language, does not mean that the words will not be stirring and inspiring to Cypriots.

It sure as hell beats having a national anthem in Greek, Turkish, Armenian, and Syriac! And an anthem with no lyrics is just music, it is not an anthem that inspires pride in our nation.

Perhaps you can provide some alternatives, besides recommending having an anthem in Persian or Farsi!!

Anthem with no lyrics or two different versions of Lyrics is fine.

Probably the best way is no Lyrics.

Lets face some facts, Cyprus as a separate country exists exclusively due to the interests of Turkey and the UK, not due to the desires of the Cypriot people. Also what we have now and what we will have after some solution is not going to be full independence. Also I am afraid that even democracy will be bastardized due to the Turkish demands.

So what are we going to sing about in the anthem? About souvla, zivania and trahanas?

Might as well.

How about the same Cyprus flag, but removing those olive branches for a pair of handcuffs tied around Cypriot hands. That is basically representative of the new Cyprus.

And a national anthem entitled "One Day, I Will Be Free".

[Paphitis]

Behold, the new national anthem of Cyprus. Please stand for the national anthem of Cyprus!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b4THos0UVE4

[BC Numismatics]

DT.,
The Cypriot national anthem should be in 3 versions,which would all be official - Cypriot Greek (as opposed to Hellenic Greek),Cypriot Turkish (as opposed to Anatolian Turkish),& English.South Africa's old national anthem was known as 'Die Stem Van Suid-Afrika' in Afrikaans,& 'The Call of South Africa' in English.

The Cypriot national anthem should reflect its distinctiveness,plus its heritage as a British Commonwealth member state.

Aidan.

If the anthem depicts any British Colonial reminders, I will never stand at attention to it, but would vomit!

Did I ever mention that I am of the opinion that Queen Elizabeth should be facing murder charges over the murder of Pallikaridi?

Paphitis,
You are being a twat! It is impossible to prosecute a reigning monarch for actions that were committed by a government acting in her name.

For all we know,Pallikaridi was killing young British soldiers,who had wives & children,& got himself caught.If the penalty for what he did attracted the death penalty,then,in my view,he got what he deserved.

Aidan.