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[Agios Ionas]

I think the RoC flag is good as it is.

It's well known, especially in Europe, but also elsewhere.

It has no Greek and no Turkish attributes. It's 100% Cypriot!

It was even designed by a TC so no one can say it's associated with GC's only.

Someone who hasn't seen the flag before would instantly know it's the flag of Cyprus... if they have half of a brain that is... or at least browsed a world atlas once.

Personally I think the design is beautiful. It's simple but effective.

As far as a new national anthem goes I think it should be something newly composed. Perhaps a collaboration between a GC and a TC? Lyrics in English sounds like a good idea since it most likely will be the language spoken between GC's and TC's... especially the younger generation... and the future of Cyprus belongs to them. However, I think the chorus/refrain should contain the words Kypros and Kibris. Perhaps once phrase describing the love of Cyprus repeated in the two languages (Cypriot Greek and Cypriot Turkish).

Just my €0.02.

[Big Al]

I must admit i am pleasantly suprised that every GC so far has expressed their willingness to have the anthem changed to be either neutral or inclusive of both turkish and greek lyrics. Although we havent heard from Oracle and a few other yet.

[Paphitis]

Nothing wrong with the existing flag of Cyprus. Designed by a TC flown by GC's its time the whole island embraced this flag. The anthem should be just that an anthem with an inspiring melody sung in 2 different languages. (We'll throw a couple of armenian words for paphitis in the greek version.)

The Armenian words are not for me DT. They are for the Armenian community who have just as much right to have their language represented in a multilingual anthem. And having said that, Latin and Syriac also have as much right to have their language represented. It is getting a bit ridiculous now, isn't it? Which brings me back to my initial point. Having an English national anthem, which represents everyone.

As far as the Cyprus Flag is concerned, there is no need for it to change. It is representative of all Cyprus. This is not to say that it is not a particular lack lustre flag, which leaves a lot of room for improvement. But that is neither here or there.

[DT.]

I must admit i am pleasantly suprised that every GC so far has expressed their willingness to have the anthem changed to be either neutral or inclusive of both turkish and greek lyrics. Although we havent heard from Oracle and a few other yet.

With or without a solution the majority of Cypriots is moving towards a different national anthem anyway.

This is what a lot of us have been trying to explain to the TC's on this forum. The GC's are proud of their hellenic heritage and culture but see very little use in maintaining parental ties with Greece. These ties have been severed a while ago and are being normalised to a normal ally to ally level. Had the Cyprus problem not been around then to Cyprus's and Greece's delight we would probably only see them in the summer on the Greek islands and the occasional Eurovision song contest.

Its something the TC's unfortunately were never allowed to do, mature into a community of its own. Torn between Cyprus and Turkey you have remained at the mercy of Turkey for economic and social handouts. This is why whenever a reciprocal relationship of the motherlands is on demand by the TC's in a proposed solution, the GC's will consider it a one sided proposal since we neither want Greece or Turkey involved in our lives.

[Big Al]

I must admit i am pleasantly suprised that every GC so far has expressed their willingness to have the anthem changed to be either neutral or inclusive of both turkish and greek lyrics. Although we havent heard from Oracle and a few other yet.

With or without a solution the majority of Cypriots is moving towards a different national anthem anyway.

This is what a lot of us have been trying to explain to the TC's on this forum. The GC's are proud of their hellenic heritage and culture but see very little use in maintaining parental ties with Greece. These ties have been severed a while ago and are being normalised to a normal ally to ally level. Had the Cyprus problem not been around then to Cyprus's and Greece's delight we would probably only see them in the summer on the Greek islands and the occasional Eurovision song contest.

Its something the TC's unfortunately were never allowed to do, mature into a community of its own. Torn between Cyprus and Turkey you have remained at the mercy of Turkey for economic and social handouts. This is why whenever a reciprocal relationship of the motherlands is on demand by the TC's in a proposed solution, the GC's will consider it a one sided proposal since we neither want Greece or Turkey involved in our lives.

Im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that if you were to take Turkey and Greece out of the equation it makes GC's a large majority to do with Cyprus and TC's as they please. Turkey is there to protect the interests of an outnumbered and outgunned minority, its as simple easy that. If if the two leaders do get somewhere with these talks Turkey must maintain some sort of presence in cyprus for the protection of TC's. Things cannot go back to the way they were pre 1974.

[Piratis]

Having an English national anthem, which represents everyone.

How English represents everyone? Even if many Cypriots speak English as a second language this doesn't mean this language represents them. Maybe you think like that because you live in Australia and English might even be your main language, but this is not the case for most Cypriots in Cyprus.

I must admit i am pleasantly suprised that every GC so far has expressed their willingness to have the anthem changed to be either neutral or inclusive of both turkish and greek lyrics. Although we havent heard from Oracle and a few other yet.

It is because this, out of all your demands, is probably the only fair thing you ask for. And since it is fair we have no reason to reject it.

[DT.]

I must admit i am pleasantly suprised that every GC so far has expressed their willingness to have the anthem changed to be either neutral or inclusive of both turkish and greek lyrics. Although we havent heard from Oracle and a few other yet.

With or without a solution the majority of Cypriots is moving towards a different national anthem anyway.

This is what a lot of us have been trying to explain to the TC's on this forum. The GC's are proud of their hellenic heritage and culture but see very little use in maintaining parental ties with Greece. These ties have been severed a while ago and are being normalised to a normal ally to ally level. Had the Cyprus problem not been around then to Cyprus's and Greece's delight we would probably only see them in the summer on the Greek islands and the occasional Eurovision song contest.

Its something the TC's unfortunately were never allowed to do, mature into a community of its own. Torn between Cyprus and Turkey you have remained at the mercy of Turkey for economic and social handouts. This is why whenever a reciprocal relationship of the motherlands is on demand by the TC's in a proposed solution, the GC's will consider it a one sided proposal since we neither want Greece or Turkey involved in our lives.

Im sure it has nothing to do with the fact that if you were to take Turkey and Greece out of the equation it makes GC's a large majority to do with Cyprus and TC's as they please. Turkey is there to protect the interests of an outnumbered and outgunned minority, its as simple easy that. If if the two leaders do get somewhere with these talks Turkey must maintain some sort of presence in cyprus for the protection of TC's. Things cannot go back to the way they were pre 1974.

Then maybe we should request RUssia to takeover as motherland since we are outnumbered and outgunned when it comes to Turkey and Greece. Who are you gonna call then? The Martians?

[Big Al]

finsished work for the day people, beer o'clock now. have a good afternoon!!

[BC Numismatics]

DT.,
The Cypriot national anthem should be in 3 versions,which would all be official - Cypriot Greek (as opposed to Hellenic Greek),Cypriot Turkish (as opposed to Anatolian Turkish),& English.South Africa's old national anthem was known as 'Die Stem Van Suid-Afrika' in Afrikaans,& 'The Call of South Africa' in English.

The Cypriot national anthem should reflect its distinctiveness,plus its heritage as a British Commonwealth member state.

Aidan.

[halil]