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Postby kafenes » Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:24 pm

This came in the mail this morning. It was in 3 languages, Armenian/Greek/English. It sounds interesting. I am looking forward to it.


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Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:39 pm

kafenes wrote:This came in the mail this morning. It was in 3 languages, Armenian/Greek/English. It sounds interesting. I am looking forward to it.


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Very fascinating Kafenes!

I hope that the history of the 8,000 refugees that fled to Cyprus from the barbaric genocide is well documented.

I can't for the life of me understand why Turkey does not accept responsibility for it's war crimes against Armenians.

Documented proof is available in many countries about the terrible events from April 24, 1915.

In fact, what is also interesting is the documentation in the Australian War Museum which describe eye witness accounts of the death marches as witnessed by Australian POWs from Gallipoli, who were taken to Anatolia.

The Armenians should also look in the Australian Archives, if they have not done so already.

May Mt Ararat be with us all!
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:47 pm

And speaking of Mount Ararat, back in the days of the Soviet Union, Turkey was complaining to the Russians about Armenia's use of Mount Ararat on their national emblem. The Turks maintained that Mount Ararat falls within it's borders.

So, Russia sent it's envoy to Ankara and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs Minister.

The Russian envoy explained the symbolic importance of Mount Ararat to all Armenians. The Turk replied that it was within it's border's and the Armenians had no right in using it on their coat of arms.

The Russian envoy then pointed to the Turkish Flag and said, "On your flag you have the moon and the star. Do you own the moon and the stars? The moon and stars belong to all humanity".

The Russian also said that Turkey also does not own Mount Ararat as a symbol, but it belongs to all humanity, including Armenians who hold it as culturally important to them".
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Postby kafenes » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:52 pm

Thanks for the link Paphitis, even though it seems to have disappeared from your post now. From non-confirmed sources I have also heard that most GC prisoners captured and taken to Turkey in 1974 died at the foot of mount Ararat while working as slaves in a nuclear plant. How true this is, I don't know.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:37 pm

The Armenians are our brothers and unfortunate fellow sufferers of the full force of Turkish oppression, slavery and destruction (and in their case a Genocide of unbelievable vulgarity!).

The Armenians enrich the Island as much as any other Cypriots of whatever minority status or worldly origins, except Turkish!

About the Turkish flag ... they stole the moon and star symbols from Constantinople...

Many traditions explain the star and crescent symbol. It is known that Diana was the patron goddess of Byzantium and that her symbol was a moon. In 330, the Emperor Constantine rededicated the city - which he called Constantinople - to the Virgin Mary, whose star symbol was superimposed over the crescent. In 1453 Constantinople was captured by the Ottoman Turks and renamed Istanbul, but its new rulers may have adopted the existing emblem for their own use.Source: fotw
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:31 am

kafenes wrote:Thanks for the link Paphitis, even though it seems to have disappeared from your post now. From non-confirmed sources I have also heard that most GC prisoners captured and taken to Turkey in 1974 died at the foot of mount Ararat while working as slaves in a nuclear plant. How true this is, I don't know.


Here is the link again.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 47,00.html

I thought that it was off topic so I removed it.

Anyway, there is a lot of information within the Australian Archives about the Armenian genocide. And it is a shame that much of this information slips under the radar. Hopefully, The Armenian Government approach Australia about researching everything held in Australian Archives and record it. Many Australian POWs saw and witnessed some gruesome events whilst enduring torture themselves. Australia was also instrumental in setting up orphanages and sending an enormous amount of aid to the Armenians. But the important thing is, that other third party nations witnessed the barbarism that Turkey does not want to accept responsibility for.

Your comment about the GC prisoners is interesting.
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Postby kafenes » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:39 am

Paphitis wrote:
kafenes wrote:Thanks for the link Paphitis, even though it seems to have disappeared from your post now. From non-confirmed sources I have also heard that most GC prisoners captured and taken to Turkey in 1974 died at the foot of mount Ararat while working as slaves in a nuclear plant. How true this is, I don't know.


Here is the link again.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 47,00.html

I thought that it was off topic so I removed it.

Anyway, there is a lot of information within the Australian Archives about the Armenian genocide. And it is a shame that much of this information slips under the radar. Hopefully, The Armenian Government approach Australia about researching everything held in Australian Archives and record it. Many Australian POWs saw and witnessed some gruesome events whilst enduring torture themselves. Australia was also instrumental in setting up orphanages and sending an enormous amount of aid to the Armenians. But the important thing is, that other third party nations witnessed the barbarism that Turkey does not want to accept responsibility for.

Your comment about the GC prisoners is interesting.


I saw the word 'Armenians' mentioned a few times when I visited the War Memorial Museum in Canberra.
About the GC prisoners, I wonder if anyone else has heard anything about it.
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Postby Big Al » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:54 am

Paphitis wrote:And speaking of Mount Ararat, back in the days of the Soviet Union, Turkey was complaining to the Russians about Armenia's use of Mount Ararat on their national emblem. The Turks maintained that Mount Ararat falls within it's borders.

So, Russia sent it's envoy to Ankara and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs Minister.

The Russian envoy explained the symbolic importance of Mount Ararat to all Armenians. The Turk replied that it was within it's border's and the Armenians had no right in using it on their coat of arms.

The Russian envoy then pointed to the Turkish Flag and said, "On your flag you have the moon and the star. Do you own the moon and the stars? The moon and stars belong to all humanity".

The Russian also said that Turkey also does not own Mount Ararat as a symbol, but it belongs to all humanity, including Armenians who hold it as culturally important to them".


Paphitis,
You will be happy (or not) to learn that the Armenian national football team has just changed the emblem on their jersey's from mount ararat to and lion, just in time for their match against Turkey :D :D :D
I wonder how greece would feel if another nation started using say the acropolis on their emblems...pretty stupid if you ask me. Mount Ararat on the armenian emblem was politically motivated and has no place in sport...the armenians realised this and removed it.
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:17 am

kafenes wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
kafenes wrote:Thanks for the link Paphitis, even though it seems to have disappeared from your post now. From non-confirmed sources I have also heard that most GC prisoners captured and taken to Turkey in 1974 died at the foot of mount Ararat while working as slaves in a nuclear plant. How true this is, I don't know.


Here is the link again.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 47,00.html

I thought that it was off topic so I removed it.

Anyway, there is a lot of information within the Australian Archives about the Armenian genocide. And it is a shame that much of this information slips under the radar. Hopefully, The Armenian Government approach Australia about researching everything held in Australian Archives and record it. Many Australian POWs saw and witnessed some gruesome events whilst enduring torture themselves. Australia was also instrumental in setting up orphanages and sending an enormous amount of aid to the Armenians. But the important thing is, that other third party nations witnessed the barbarism that Turkey does not want to accept responsibility for.

Your comment about the GC prisoners is interesting.


I saw the word 'Armenians' mentioned a few times when I visited the War Memorial Museum in Canberra.
About the GC prisoners, I wonder if anyone else has heard anything about it.


I am not aware of your claim about GC prisoners. I would be interested if anyone was to provide some sources.

What is known is how GC prisoners were used as Guinea pigs to test biochemical weapons.

http://news.pseka.net/index.php?module=article&id=6022
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:19 am

Big Al wrote:
Paphitis wrote:And speaking of Mount Ararat, back in the days of the Soviet Union, Turkey was complaining to the Russians about Armenia's use of Mount Ararat on their national emblem. The Turks maintained that Mount Ararat falls within it's borders.

So, Russia sent it's envoy to Ankara and met with the Turkish Foreign Affairs Minister.

The Russian envoy explained the symbolic importance of Mount Ararat to all Armenians. The Turk replied that it was within it's border's and the Armenians had no right in using it on their coat of arms.

The Russian envoy then pointed to the Turkish Flag and said, "On your flag you have the moon and the star. Do you own the moon and the stars? The moon and stars belong to all humanity".

The Russian also said that Turkey also does not own Mount Ararat as a symbol, but it belongs to all humanity, including Armenians who hold it as culturally important to them".


Paphitis,
You will be happy (or not) to learn that the Armenian national football team has just changed the emblem on their jersey's from mount ararat to and lion, just in time for their match against Turkey :D :D :D
I wonder how greece would feel if another nation started using say the acropolis on their emblems...pretty stupid if you ask me. Mount Ararat on the armenian emblem was politically motivated and has no place in sport...the armenians realised this and removed it.


The Russian Bear has awoken! Mount Ararat is Armenian!
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