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[CopperLine]

So let's summarise :
Oracle's latest defence of being a racist is that she's not a racist because she is free to like or dislike whoever or whatever she likes, white chocolate or dark chocolate is the example she came up with. But Oracle complains that its unfair of me to pick on her.

OK, let's leave her alone but let's not let her humble and sincere defence not go to waste. I wonder what Adolf Hitler would sound like with the 'Oracle defence' ? Here we go : "I am free to hate Jews ... that is my prerogative and is not racist one little bit! I hate white chocolate but I love dark chocolate! What is it to you?"

Or David Duke with the Oracle at his side : "I am free to hate blacks ... that is my prerogative and is not racist one little bit! I hate white chocolate but I love dark chocolate! What is it to you?"

Or Meir Kahane deftly deploying the Oracle reposte : "I am free to hate Arabs ... that is my prerogative and is not racist one little bit! I hate white chocolate but I love dark chocolate! What is it to you?"

Intolerance is not just part of all religions, it is part of all racisms.

[Oracle]

So let's summarise :

Why do you find me so endlessly fascinating?

Oracle's latest defence of being a racist is that she's not a racist because she is free to like or dislike whoever or whatever she likes, white chocolate or dark chocolate is the example she came up with. But Oracle complains that its unfair of me to pick on her.

Show me where I said that, Copper Liar

But in order for me to defend myself, you would have had to show me some evidence of where I was being a racist. So I was not having to defend myself, because you did not show me anywhere where I was being a racist.

Merely reciting over and over again, that I am a racist in as many permutations as possible, is not an accusation but the rantings of a mischief maker and an intolerant bigot!

You entirely missed the point about the black and white chocolate, likes and dislikes, choices preferences and differences.

But I guess unless we all like what CopperLiar likes, we are racists, because he is a bigot.

CopperLiar loves Turks who ethnically cleanse people from their homes and and cause mass genocides, but he is not a racist.

No, he is just a lover of racists.

Not that he would directly admit it, because his pastime is just to misquote other people, to provide himself with endless nit picking, to absurdity.

OK, let's leave her alone but let's not let her humble and sincere defence not go to waste. I wonder what Adolf Hitler would sound like with the 'Oracle defence' ? Here we go : "I am free to hate Jews ... that is my prerogative and is not racist one little bit! I hate white chocolate but I love dark chocolate! What is it to you?"

How many times must I say .... I only hate Turks. I know you want to feel better ... and if you thought I hated others also, then Turks would not be unique in their monstrosity and you would not feel so bad ... But you personally have much to hate don't you dear?

You would love this hate to be unreasonable or unsubstantiated ... hence hoping you can generalize me as a racist. But this hate is specific, confined to those who did me wrong! I hate nobody but Turks .... because I have personal experience that makes me hate them; they are the enemy of my country, my country is at war with them, they currently occupy 40% of my country and keep 200,000 GCs from their homes in the most brutal display of ethnic cleansing.

Is it because they love us that the Turks do this?

Then I would rather they hated us and left us alone. Like I hate them but have never harmed a single one, nor intend to. But I will go to my grave hating them for what they have done.

Or David Duke with the Oracle at his side : "I am free to hate blacks ... that is my prerogative and is not racist one little bit! I hate white chocolate but I love dark chocolate! What is it to you?"

Again I do not hate anyone because of their skin colour. I do not care what colour Turks come in, that is superfluous. It is their intolerant behaviour that is the problem .... not their colour! But carry on making stuff up so that you have something to moan about, because you have nothing else to do.

Or Meir Kahane deftly deploying the Oracle reposte : "I am free to hate Arabs ... that is my prerogative and is not racist one little bit! I hate white chocolate but I love dark chocolate! What is it to you?"

I don't hate anyone but Turks because of what they have done to me, my people and my country.

Intolerance is not just part of all religions, it is part of all racisms.

Intolerance is when you act on your emotions. If I hate white chocolate I leave it alone ... it is free to live on the shop shelf!

Having feelings is not intolerance ... they are Human emotions.

Get some! .... or wonder forevermore through the forum like a ghost misquoting and making stuff up to dissect.

CopperLiar would you like me to call you a fuckwit intolerant bigot?
No? then stop behaving like one!
Yes? then I guess just 30 is enough for you

[Paphitis]

Paphitis,

So I take it that you have read the Koran and have developed this opinion from studying the topic

Would reading "The origin of leprechauns and the nature of sprites" develop your opinion on the truth of fairies ?

Pathetic analogy really.

It does not matter what I, You, Miltiades or any other person believe. The fact remains that over 1 billion people find solace in Islam, 1 billion find solace in Christianity, 1 billion find solace in Hinduism and so on.. Why should I or anyone else be judgemental and display prejudice to these religious doctrines.

I have not read the Bible or the Koran, and have no intention of doing so. I have developed my own opinions on Christianity about the existence of God, but I refrain from slandering the faith that so many depend on.

Likewise, I know very little about Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. So I am not qualified to slander those religions and I refuse to display any intolerance towards them. Offering your own judgement on religious doctrines that you know nothing about, is not right.

As for Islam, there is one thing I find deplorable. And that is Sharia Law. I find it deplorable how women are treated, how they behead, stone in the name of Allah Akbar! I am also against any form of capital punishment in all circumstances, whether it is in Saudi Arabia or The United States. IMHO

[Paphitis]

Oracle you really take the biscuit - absolutely craven and shameless. Your original post alleged Shakespeare was a plagiarist. Now you try to wriggle out by adding the term 'original'. Two quite different things. And in your follow-up you don't give a jot of evidence to support the 'plagiarism' allegation. No serious Shakespeare scholar has ever made the allegation of plagiarism and a figure the other side of zero are those who've provided any evidence. "Debates on Shakespeare's [ ]/plagiarism are many " - More total tosh from Oracle.

On Oracle's definition of plagiarism, so wide as to be meaningless, one would have to conclude that everyone from Freud, to Conrad, to Einstein, to Dawkins, to Marx (Groucho and Karl), were all plagiarists !

That Shakespeare 'borrowed' from the generations before him is simply a non-issue, and on no account does it amount to plagiarism. Yes he like every other author or artist or , frankly, any other human being inherits the world that has gone before, be they stories, discoveries, economies or buildings. There really is nothing to prove.

The extract from Encyclopedia Brittanica is a particularly daft piece to use to 'support' Oracle's daft assertion. We get a reference to Langbaine's early commentary on Shakespeare as if this is definitive, without a single reference to the subsequent three centuries of Shakespeare research !


But all of this is a trifle compared with Oracle's brush-off of her own twisted racism. So long as Oracle litters this Forum with casual racism and regular idiocies then it needs to be pointed out and objected to.

How Ironic

You, Miltiades and Connor have exposed your intolerance and prejudice towards religious faiths by slandering them and offering opinions, with little knowledge but ignorance. And yet you stand here and accuse others of being racist!

[dinos]

Paphitis,

So I take it that you have read the Koran and have developed this opinion from studying the topic

Would reading "The origin of leprechauns and the nature of sprites" develop your opinion on the truth of fairies ?

Pathetic analogy really.

It does not matter what I, You, Miltiades or any other person believe. The fact remains that over 1 billion people find solace in Islam, 1 billion find solace in Christianity, 1 billion find solace in Hinduism and so on.. Why should I or anyone else be judgemental and display prejudice to these religious doctrines.

I have not read the Bible or the Koran, and have no intention of doing so. I have developed my own opinions on Christianity about the existence of God, but I refrain from slandering the faith that so many depend on.

Likewise, I know very little about Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. So I am not qualified to slander those religions and I refuse to display any intolerance towards them. Offering your own judgement on religious doctrines that you know nothing about, is not right.

As for Islam, there is one thing I find deplorable. And that is Sharia Law. I find it deplorable how women are treated, how they behead, stone in the name of Allah Akbar! I am also against any form of capital punishment in all circumstances, whether it is in Saudi Arabia or The United States. IMHO

I agree. The only way anybody can possibly know for sure whether there's a deity or which religion is "right" is after they're dead. Anybody attacking other people's belief systems in the way we've seen here is displaying an incredible amount of arrogance. Kudos to you on a very well thought out and common sense post.

[roseandchan]

for those like connor who believe that islam is intolerent. i have a copy of the koran in english and you are welcome to borrow it .
as far as sri lanka goes, we also have tamil family and it is more of an ethnic thing, i think religion is secondary to this. the sri lankan goverment just want the tamils out and to take their land. ethnic cleansing. i have friends who have been in the sri lankan goverments torture camps. the world just stands by and lets this shit happen.

[Svetlana]

Whoops, we are really off topic here, but....

while I appear to be the only person on the Forum with no Sri Lankan family, I have probably spent more time in S/L over the last few years than most and have both Sinhalese and Tamil friends here in Cyprus.

I am not sure how roseandchan come to the conclusion that the Sinhalese wants to take 'Tamil' land; there is no such thing as 'Tamil' land.
S/L is a country with a legitimate ruling, democratic Government (which comprises both Sinhales and Tamils) and the conflict started when, in 1975, the LTTE was formed and demanded a separatist State in the North east of the Island.

The conflict, to my mind, is more ethnic than religious (though I appreciate you cannot entirely separate the two) and we sometimes forget that there are many Sinhalese living in the Tamil held areas and many Tamils living in the Government controlled areas.

Outside of the military conflict, it is an unpleasant civil war targeting civilians, with suicide bombers on buses, trains, bomb blasts in hospitals etc. The country has suffered enough with the Tsunami....

BTW I am a bit confused by the references to Islam and Sri Lanka - the dominant religion of the Tamils is Hinduism, only about 5% follow Islam,

Lana

[roseandchan]

our family members are tamils driven out as refugees by the goverment. the goverment tortures the tamils so please don't tell me this is what legitimate goverments do to their people. they have taken land which was owned by our family members. all cypriots should relate to that. So why is it that we are not allowed to visit our families land in sri lanka? ethnic cleansing is what is happening. i don't condone any act of terrorism but i think the tamils feel they are out of options.
they say that religions cause wars, but so do goverments.

[Maynard23]

our family members are tamils driven out as refugees by the goverment. the goverment tortures the tamils so please don't tell me this is what legitimate goverments do to their people. they have taken land which was owned by our family members. all cypriots should relate to that. So why is it that we are not allowed to visit our families land in sri lanka? ethnic cleansing is what is happening. i don't condone any act of terrorism but i think the tamils feel they are out of options.
they say that religions cause wars, but so do goverments.

Sad news about your family and I am sure that you will find many sympathizers on this forum who can relate to your initial comments here.

Your final remark almost nailed it though, I would suggest that the real truth is that the politicians/governments USE religions to create the atmosphere necessary to engage in war, THEY effectively agitate people and stir up any intolerance [which was probably non-existent prior to the agitation] in order to achieve the real objectives, control and domination of every resource [strategic or otherwise] in their hidden quests.

Looks like they stirred up a hornet's nest when they applied their well pactised techniques within the Muslim communities though, such people are apparently far less willing to capitulate to the bullying and underhand tactics of the instigators of unrest.

Look no further than Ireland, Palestine [in particular] AND Cyprus to see how it all works. [to mention but a very few].

If you have the time to scratch the surface and the WILL to discover just which political/government agencies have most to gain by the conflicts resulting from their efforts in creating intolerance, you may even reach a conclusion, providing YOU are not one that spends time howling at the beliefs of others.

I think THAT kind of behaviour suits the politicians/governments fine, it ensures that they have everything nicely under control. IMHO.

[Tim Drayton]

having a member of my family who is Sri Lankan .... Oracles is correct on the Sri Lankan war.

What .. that Islam lies at the root of the Sri Lankan conflict?

Tim why do you think Islam lies at the root of this conflict?

I have already told you it is between the Sinhalese who claim to have been in Sri Lanka longer than the latter southern India-derived Tamils.

I do NOT think that Islam lies at the root of this conflict. This is your claim. To quote (from your post earlier in this thread) :

"Once again another Muslim connected conflict.

How many of the world's religion-inspired, divisional-solution seeking disputations have Islam as the common denominator?"

In my opinion Islam has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the conflict in Sri Lanka, and this is an idiotic claim. It is even more idiotic for somebody to come along and endorse this view purely out of a sycophantic, knee-jerk reaction.