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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:52 am

Oracle wrote:
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miltiades wrote:Just a reminder of what the post was about , no mention of Israel or terrorists. It takes one idiot besotted with the existence of Israel and one mad scientist infatuated with her own brainpower and highly intoxicated with the valor and fortitude of the idiots' "dogged " perceptive , to crush in with her usual utter crap , at least this time she left the Turks out. This is a question about religious intolerance and has nothing what so ever to do with either Israel or the Middle East . Religious intolerance , that is the question. Here it is again .
"""Having watched channel 5 this evening and having heard how some Islamic clerics are describing the non Muslims I'm perturbed to say the least.
The Jews are apparently Monkeys and the Christians Pigs. !!
What are your comments and which of the main "false" religions -all are false - is in your opinion the most intolerant of them all.
Let me say from the outset that I do not for one billionth of a second accept the existence of a creator and I consider all religions to be the byproduct of times gone by .Further more I consider any religion that preaches hatred and intolerance as dangerous to humanity as a whole . """

ps.may your God , as false as he is , be with you all !!


I don't often agree with Militiades, but I'm with him on this one. The so-called monotheistic religions, insofar as they have a common root in a "jealous god" are fundamentally intolerant. That intolerance is written into the basics of Judaic, Christian and Islamic belief.

But the non-monotheistic religions don't get awat scot-free either : Buddhism, Hinduism and Shintoism are, for example, prone to the same brutalities against non-believers.

But where I guess I differ from Militiades is that it is in Marx's criticism of religion that you'll find the most powerful of arguments aganist religious belief. Hitchens has got by far and away the best current survey in 'God is not great'.


Many people in the West have quite a dewy eyed impression of Buddhism as having to do with peace and brotherly love. A brief visit to Sri Lanka convinced me that this faith is a very effective "opium of the people" there, and is perfectly happy to resort to force wherever peer group pressure is inadequate to secure compliance.

News of a violent attack in that country by Buddhist monks hostile to the notion of cohabitation with their (Hindu) Tamil compatriots on a peace procession did nothing to dispel this impression:

http://www.antiwar.com/ips/perera.php?articleid=9560


Once again another Muslim connected conflict. :roll:

How many of the world's religion-inspired, divisional-solution seeking disputations have Islam as the common denominator?

It's high time we taught "atheism" in schools and reduced religion to a hobby rather than a way of life.


Sorry, you have lost me. The conflict in Sri Lanka is between Buddhist Sinhalese speakers and Hindu Tamil speakers, although a significant portion of both communities have been converted to Christianity. There is a Muslim minority as well, but they stay well out of this conflict. Believe me, if you travel around Sri Lanka, religious insignia and symbols are everywhere - of all four religions.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:35 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:
CopperLine wrote:
miltiades wrote:Just a reminder of what the post was about , no mention of Israel or terrorists. It takes one idiot besotted with the existence of Israel and one mad scientist infatuated with her own brainpower and highly intoxicated with the valor and fortitude of the idiots' "dogged " perceptive , to crush in with her usual utter crap , at least this time she left the Turks out. This is a question about religious intolerance and has nothing what so ever to do with either Israel or the Middle East . Religious intolerance , that is the question. Here it is again .
"""Having watched channel 5 this evening and having heard how some Islamic clerics are describing the non Muslims I'm perturbed to say the least.
The Jews are apparently Monkeys and the Christians Pigs. !!
What are your comments and which of the main "false" religions -all are false - is in your opinion the most intolerant of them all.
Let me say from the outset that I do not for one billionth of a second accept the existence of a creator and I consider all religions to be the byproduct of times gone by .Further more I consider any religion that preaches hatred and intolerance as dangerous to humanity as a whole . """

ps.may your God , as false as he is , be with you all !!


I don't often agree with Militiades, but I'm with him on this one. The so-called monotheistic religions, insofar as they have a common root in a "jealous god" are fundamentally intolerant. That intolerance is written into the basics of Judaic, Christian and Islamic belief.

But the non-monotheistic religions don't get awat scot-free either : Buddhism, Hinduism and Shintoism are, for example, prone to the same brutalities against non-believers.

But where I guess I differ from Militiades is that it is in Marx's criticism of religion that you'll find the most powerful of arguments aganist religious belief. Hitchens has got by far and away the best current survey in 'God is not great'.


Many people in the West have quite a dewy eyed impression of Buddhism as having to do with peace and brotherly love. A brief visit to Sri Lanka convinced me that this faith is a very effective "opium of the people" there, and is perfectly happy to resort to force wherever peer group pressure is inadequate to secure compliance.

News of a violent attack in that country by Buddhist monks hostile to the notion of cohabitation with their (Hindu) Tamil compatriots on a peace procession did nothing to dispel this impression:

http://www.antiwar.com/ips/perera.php?articleid=9560


Once again another Muslim connected conflict. :roll:

How many of the world's religion-inspired, divisional-solution seeking disputations have Islam as the common denominator?

It's high time we taught "atheism" in schools and reduced religion to a hobby rather than a way of life.


Sorry, you have lost me. The conflict in Sri Lanka is between Buddhist Sinhalese speakers and Hindu Tamil speakers, although a significant portion of both communities have been converted to Christianity. There is a Muslim minority as well, but they stay well out of this conflict. Believe me, if you travel around Sri Lanka, religious insignia and symbols are everywhere - of all four religions.


The Muslims do not have to be in the majority to cause trouble and unrest :wink:

From your link ....

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka - When saffron-clad Buddhists monks and Catholic priests and nuns in white are joined by [b]Muslim and Hindu leaders in an interfaith rally for peace, the last thing anyone would expect is that their pacific efforts would end in fisticuffs...[/b]


The Muslims are about 8% of the population .... surely they'll be wanting about 20% of the country :roll:
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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:36 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:
CopperLine wrote:
miltiades wrote:Just a reminder of what the post was about , no mention of Israel or terrorists. It takes one idiot besotted with the existence of Israel and one mad scientist infatuated with her own brainpower and highly intoxicated with the valor and fortitude of the idiots' "dogged " perceptive , to crush in with her usual utter crap , at least this time she left the Turks out. This is a question about religious intolerance and has nothing what so ever to do with either Israel or the Middle East . Religious intolerance , that is the question. Here it is again .
"""Having watched channel 5 this evening and having heard how some Islamic clerics are describing the non Muslims I'm perturbed to say the least.
The Jews are apparently Monkeys and the Christians Pigs. !!
What are your comments and which of the main "false" religions -all are false - is in your opinion the most intolerant of them all.
Let me say from the outset that I do not for one billionth of a second accept the existence of a creator and I consider all religions to be the byproduct of times gone by .Further more I consider any religion that preaches hatred and intolerance as dangerous to humanity as a whole . """

ps.may your God , as false as he is , be with you all !!


I don't often agree with Militiades, but I'm with him on this one. The so-called monotheistic religions, insofar as they have a common root in a "jealous god" are fundamentally intolerant. That intolerance is written into the basics of Judaic, Christian and Islamic belief.

But the non-monotheistic religions don't get awat scot-free either : Buddhism, Hinduism and Shintoism are, for example, prone to the same brutalities against non-believers.

But where I guess I differ from Militiades is that it is in Marx's criticism of religion that you'll find the most powerful of arguments aganist religious belief. Hitchens has got by far and away the best current survey in 'God is not great'.


Many people in the West have quite a dewy eyed impression of Buddhism as having to do with peace and brotherly love. A brief visit to Sri Lanka convinced me that this faith is a very effective "opium of the people" there, and is perfectly happy to resort to force wherever peer group pressure is inadequate to secure compliance.

News of a violent attack in that country by Buddhist monks hostile to the notion of cohabitation with their (Hindu) Tamil compatriots on a peace procession did nothing to dispel this impression:

http://www.antiwar.com/ips/perera.php?articleid=9560


Once again another Muslim connected conflict. :roll:

How many of the world's religion-inspired, divisional-solution seeking disputations have Islam as the common denominator?

It's high time we taught "atheism" in schools and reduced religion to a hobby rather than a way of life.


Sorry, you have lost me. The conflict in Sri Lanka is between Buddhist Sinhalese speakers and Hindu Tamil speakers, although a significant portion of both communities have been converted to Christianity. There is a Muslim minority as well, but they stay well out of this conflict. Believe me, if you travel around Sri Lanka, religious insignia and symbols are everywhere - of all four religions.


The Muslims do not have to be in the majority to cause trouble and unrest :wink:

From your link ....

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka - When saffron-clad Buddhists monks and Catholic priests and nuns in white are joined by Muslim and Hindu leaders in an interfaith rally for peace, the last thing anyone would expect is that their pacific efforts would end in fisticuffs...


The Muslims are about 8% of the population .... surely they'll be wanting about 20% of the country :roll:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:38 am

The conflict in Sri Lanka is between the Sinhalese and the Tamils, and is ethnic or linguistic in nature.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:42 am

Tim Drayton wrote:The conflict in Sri Lanka is between the Sinhalese and the Tamils, and is ethnic or linguistic in nature.


I thought it was both.

The Sinhalese lay claim to Sri Lanka due to being the natives. The Tamils were later arrivals from India, and much darker.
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Postby humanist » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:50 am

having a member of my family who is Sri Lankan .... Oracles is correct on the Sri Lankan war.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:52 am

humanist wrote:having a member of my family who is Sri Lankan .... Oracles is correct on the Sri Lankan war.


Thank you my darling. :wink:
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:53 am

Oracle wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:The conflict in Sri Lanka is between the Sinhalese and the Tamils, and is ethnic or linguistic in nature.


I thought it was both.

The Sinhalese lay claim to Sri Lanka due to being the natives. The Tamils were later arrivals from India, and much darker.


Tell that to the people known as the "Vedda", who are believed to be the descendants of the aboriginal people of Sri Lanka who were already living there when the Sinhalese arrived there from the north of India in about 550 BC.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:56 am

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Tim Drayton wrote:The conflict in Sri Lanka is between the Sinhalese and the Tamils, and is ethnic or linguistic in nature.


I thought it was both.

The Sinhalese lay claim to Sri Lanka due to being the natives. The Tamils were later arrivals from India, and much darker.


Tell that to the people known as the "Vedda", who are believed to be the descendants of the aboriginal people of Sri Lanka who were already living there when the Sinhalese arrived there from the north of India in about 550 BC.


Well I'm not going to take sides, but that is a separate issue and unrelated to the main dispute we were referring to.
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Postby CopperLine » Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:27 pm

Once again Oracle plumbs the depths of idiocy :

Once again another Muslim connected conflict.
re. Sri Lanka

or from another thread,

At the very least Shakespeare was a plagiarist
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