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boulio its not so much the demand but the way its conveyed that relates it to the bad attitude that comes accross from GCs, the majority of TCs do not have a problem with giving land back where it is possible and I think you would have found many TCs willing to move out, Guzelyurt being a prime example but we also have to face realities at the same time. Its this rightious attitude which makes TCs harden towards GCs and respond accordingly, the current run of events will not help the situation one bit it will only make things worse, all we need is just one incident concerning owner occupier for people to start applying blame, there was a rumour this evening in the north that the borders had been closed indefinately, this sort of speculation will only increase due to recent events instigated by GCs.

[boulio]

boulio its not so much the demand but the way its conveyed that relates it to the bad attitude that comes accross from GCs

well what would you like a g/c to do?walk up to a t/c or settler living in his home and shoot him?they are taking civil and legal means to get back there properties.

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boulio obviously theres nothing I can say that you will understand goodluck with trying to get your property back from a settler, I wonder what you will lose in the process.

[Kifeas]

boulio its not so much the demand but the way its conveyed that relates it to the bad attitude that comes accross from GCs, the majority of TCs do not have a problem with giving land back where it is possible and I think you would have found many TCs willing to move out, Guzelyurt being a prime example but we also have to face realities at the same time. Its this rightious attitude which makes TCs harden towards GCs and respond accordingly, the current run of events will not help the situation one bit it will only make things worse, all we need is just one incident concerning owner occupier for people to start applying blame, there was a rumour this evening in the north that the borders had been closed indefinately, this sort of speculation will only increase due to recent events instigated by GCs.

Viewpoint,
No one blames you personally or the ordinary TC for what happens with GC properties in the north. We all know that it is not up to the individual TCs to really do much about it. At least however, try not to give moral substance to this situation and reverse the blame on the GCs. What currently happens with GC properties in the north is illegal and above everything else, totally unethical. Furthermore, it is far beyond the capacity of the TC community to ever indemnify the GCs for the loss. From the moment the TC leadership shows such an apathetic and indifferent attitude, there is no other way left for the GCs to go, other than legal actions. The moral perpetrator of this recent negative climate is the TC leadership. Should they have taken action to control the situation, there would be no need for GCs to act against these crooks individually. Look elsewhere for the guilty party, not to the GCs.

And you know something? The demand by foreigners for holiday villas in the north has dropped dramatically, mainly after the Orams case. Most of the villas and houses currently under construction are without buyers. There were a huge number of cancellations of previously contacted sales. Yet, the construction continues to go on and on and everyday new plots are cleared out and new foundations are laid. Do you know why?

Because the motive behind it is not the need to for economic development of the north or the need to meet any such immanent demand for holiday houses. The real motive is to create de facto conditions on the ground, against the returning of their land back to the GCs after a solution, taking into account the provisions in A-plan. However they must know that this plan, as it was presented in it's last version, has not been approved by the GCs. No one forces the GCs to accept the same property provisions in a new round of talks. The end result of such a short-sighted approach is to sabotage the prospects of a solution or alternatively, the TC community to be required to agree to further substantial territorial concessions, since there will be no land and therefore no motivation for GCs to return under the TCCS. If there is no land left available for ordinary TCs to buy in this reduced territory, then they will suffer first. The prices will skyrocket and it will be impossible for the new generations of TCs to buy or build a house.

[Anglo]

It is my understanding that the vast majority of devlopment on GC land took place BEFORE the current construction boom - am I correct? If so, blaming the foreigners for making the solution more difficult seems incorrect.

Also, I have read that only about 1% of GC land has been sold to foreigners - correct? If so, that leaves 99% left to give back potentially.

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Kifeas it may not be the individual TC that is responsible but it is exactly these people you are effecting by taking legal action but obviously this is of no concern to you in the long run. You seem to forget that compensation for unclaimable property will play a large role in any solution, the bill will be met by Turkey and other concerned parties, The new TC leadership attempted to thwart the building boom but due to a very strong lobby and economics they had to back down. Dont you feel moving swiftly to the negotiating table or even being the instigating side to address this problem might bring a result that will be more beneficial to all concerned rather than damage any trust that has been built up over the past 2 years. your administration are doing absoulutely nothing yet you all appear to be quite content to let them continue their negative stance, Talat has offered to meet why doesnt Papdop meet for the sake of a solution, its obviously not a priority.
The building continues and will continue, today I have heard a large Swiss company has purchased many donums, Israelis are here in abundence, so the empty properties which you believe are not selling due to GCs actions are an investment for the future, just evaluate what will happen if one court is thrown out of court or put on the shelf until a solution is found, the value of those empty properties will sky rocket.

You say that the idea behind all this development is to reduce the land that GCs can return to then sure the answer is looking you in the face return to a negotiating table any table with TCs to work together to channel economic development into other areas with guarantees that GC property development will stop. Obviously this is also not a priority.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas it may not be the...

ok

[magikthrill]

cannedmoose thanks for the acknowledgement but can you kindly give me 2 GC forum users other then Alexandros who are positve towards TCs, Im trying very hard to understand the viewpoint coming from our neighbours, but unfortunately I cannot read any comments that would encourage me to believe we could build a united cyprus together. Many GCs contribute with this condensending and belittling attitude which quite frankly makes me sick but Im willing to read what they have to say for the sake of trying to understand what it is they really want but unfortunately so far its more negative than positive.

you know just becaue people are not positive towards you it doesnt mean they are not positive towards all TCs. i personally have had a disliking towards you because of the racist/prejudice posts you have made on this forum.

likewise, i have a disliking towards Ag. Amvrosios because he seems to have this same "inferiority complex" as a GC/Australian seeing as I can speak Greek and he speaks this weird dialect similar to Turkish that I can't understand

what im saying is. i dont care if youre a GC, TC, Russian or heck even British and Australian (jokes aside). If you're an a-hole its because you have bad character not because you belong to a certain ethnicity. At least that's how I see it.

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magikthrill

i personally have had a disliking towards you because of the racist/prejudice posts you have made on this forum.

I think you are refering to not wanting my children to marry a GC, surely I have a right to think this, many people do but arent honest enough to say so, this doesnt make me a racist, you can label everyone with something or other but people are complex human beings and cannot just be pidgoen holed on a few comments. I may not want my daughter to marry a GC but I could be fostering a black child, does this make me a racist????

But you have the right to dislike me, its not a problem I also have my opinions on you based on your contributions to the forum, I can put you in many catagories and label u many things good and bad.

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as I can speak Greek and he speaks this weird dialect similar to Turkish that I can't understand

The name of this dialect is called Cypriot lol.

...also, it's a very similar dialect to 90% of the Greek islands.