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Postby kafenes » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:38 pm

Why won’t the north let pilgrims cross?
By Jacqueline Theodoulou

Iacovou walks out of meeting over Limnitis crossing impasse

PRESIDENTIAL Commissioner George Iacovou yesterday walked out of his scheduled meeting with his Turkish Cypriot counterpart after being informed of the north’s decision to reject a request by Kato Pyrgos residents to go on an organised pilgrimage via the Limnitis checkpoint.

The request for easy access to the church of Saint Mamas, in occupied Morphou, came as President Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat prepare to begin full-fledged negotiations in early September.

Iacovou visited Talat’s adviser Ozdil Nami at the Ledra Palace Hotel yesterday for a meeting to discuss the specific checkpoint, among other issues. He left after he was informed of the Turkish Cypriot side’s decision by the UN Special Representative in Cyprus, Taye-Brook Zerihoun just before the meeting.

The Presidential Commissioner said he deemed it necessary to cut the scheduled talks short and rush back to the Presidential Palace to inform President Christofias on the latest development.

“I arrived at Ledra Palace at 3pm and after the initial compliments, Mr Zerihoun informed me that he had received a letter from the Turkish Cypriots informing him that they would deny entry to the Kato Pyrgos residents for an organised pilgrimage through the Limnitis road,” Iacovou told reporters at the Presidential Palace.

“This, of course, is very sad news, it is truly a small-hearted and provocative decision,” he pointed out. “In view of this, I made the decision that I couldn’t go ahead with my scheduled meeting with Mr Nami.”

The Limnitis crossing in the far west of the island is proving to be something of a sticking point for both sides: Turkish Cypriots have been allowed to cross south for two years now but the north refuses to open their side, citing ‘technical issues’.

In early August, over 1,000 Turkish Cypriots in 58 buses crossed through Limnitis to the former Kokkina enclave to mark the anniversary of what they term a victory over Greek Cypriots in 1964, when Turkey carried out an aerial bombardment of the area.

Some 300 Greek Cypriots from Kato Pyrgos staged a peaceful protest at the same time. The residents had planned to block the road but were talked out of it by the government and the Church in the longer term interests of having the Limnitis crossing opened permanently.

For the past 45 years, residents in the area of Limnitis have to travel to Nicosia via Paphos and Limassol. Opening a crossing point at Limnitis would make this journey far shorter.

Iacovou said he had made an extensive statement over the reasons that led to his decision, before walking out. He added that Zerihoun had expressed his desire to meet Iacovou in person and discuss the developments.

“I responded that I was definitely willing [to meet] whenever he wanted to discuss these issues, which not only are a result of today’s meeting but also the many others that preceded this one, regarding the opening of the Limnitis checkpoint,” Iacovou explained.

According to the Commissioner, Nami was present during his departure.

“Mr Nami was there when I arrived. And indeed we started a preliminary discussion, but I think Mr Nami felt the need to inform me of this development, so he interrupted and told me about it,” said Iacovou.

He added that Nami had not offered any reasons for the Turkish Cypriots’ rejection of the Kato Pyrgos residents’ request. “But he did express the hope that this would not affect the talks that will begin on September 3.”

Iacovou said he didn’t feel this was a bad omen in view of the beginning of direct talks between the two community leaders.

“We must stay calm; I was completely calm. I state the reasons why I couldn’t continue discussions. I think it was a calm and correct decision. When they are ready to truly talk, then we will see what to do.”

He said he had informed President Christofias on the events at Ledra Palace, who applauded his decision to leave, “because it is not possible for negotiations to be taking place under such shadows and provocative actions”.

According to Iacovou, a series of issues put forward by Nami over the Limnitis checkpoint were meant to be discussed during yesterday’s meeting.

“For two days I had been preparing to comment, discuss and negotiate these issues,” he concluded.

In the last five years, several crossing points to and from the island’s northern areas have opened to facilitate the movement of people from both sides.

At their meeting, in late July, the two community leaders decided to instruct their representatives to take up the issue of Limnitis/Yesilirmak and other crossings.





Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008


I say close all crossings until a final solution has been reached!
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Postby humanist » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:46 pm

kafenes, I agree. It will be an action that willl either make or break the Cypriot cause and I have a feeling it will make it. Watch the thousands who cross every day for work take up residence in the south rightfully, not living in some refugees home.
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Postby paliometoxo » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:21 pm

they should of stopped the turkish from crossing, it was obvious they had no intentions of letting any gc cross
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Postby eracles » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:35 pm

let's not have any knee jerk reactions now...who knows what 'moves' the turkish 'deep state' have calculated...
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Postby humanist » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:40 pm

whatever it is they aree letting us know who is calling the shots up ther and it ain't Talat and the TC's. Though some TC's are probably overjooyed at the Turkish action of flexing muscle. The sad thing is Europe is neglecting one of its smaller States, because they can. To them Cyprus is the holiday destination and its people to be used.
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Postby paliometoxo » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:49 pm

eracles wrote:let's not have any knee jerk reactions now...who knows what 'moves' the turkish 'deep state' have calculated...


i think we all know what they have calculated... tell us to f off demand more until they get what they want and moan like littke b~***es until we see a recognised trnc but lets not forget they also want to have say and use resources in the south ... just how much control do they want...

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Postby Agios Ionas » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:45 pm

In another thread I said the GC's should choose the high road and allow the TC's to cross. The GC's did and scored +1 in the eyes of the world.

Now the TC's (or the Turkish occupying forces I guess since they are effectively holding the TC's hostage as well as 37% of the island) refuse to return the favour. This will render more negative points than the GC's scored positive ones. This is just further proof to the rest of the world who the real aggressor is. It's undeniable proof that the Turks are the unreasonable ones.

I feel very sorry for the true TC's who are unable to see that they are victims of Turkey. And I'm even more sorry for those who know the shit they're stuck in but are too afraid to do or even say something about it. Ordinary people are victims of Turkish military and an elite of TC politicians who sold their soul, 37% of Cyprus and their countrymen to the invader.

It's tempting to close the crossings, I can appreciate that... this was also my first reaction when reading these news. But I'm not so sure anything good will come from closing them. It's a gamble. It could mean that the thousands that cross everyday for work will take up residence in the south rightfully as humanist said. But it could also backfire and alienate the TC's even more (those crossing every day for work in particular) which would inevitably lead to additional support for permanent partition and the demands for international recognition of the 'TRNC'.

Those crossing for work on a daily basis are obviously comfortable enough to be working for and with GC's. The step from that to actually live side by side with GC's should be a rather small step. But closing the crossings could very well cause these people to have a knee jerk reaction themselves and then take a huge leap backwards. Instead of running for the RoC and the work there they could just as well end up with resentment for the government that 'took away their livelihood'. Like I said, it's a gamble... with high stakes.

Do the GC's really want to risk losing their 'TC allies'? Remember, these are people who actually know, by personal experience, that the GC's aren't murderous genocidal monsters who wish to eradicate TC's from Cypriot soil once and for all. They're a valuable resource in finding and supporting a fair solution and the key to making things work once Cyprus is reunited. These TC's are the ones that will help those that still fear the GC's understand that they're all Cypriots and religion and ancestry are superficial things at the end of the day if you want to make a country successful and prosperous.

I say, keep a steady course on the high road. Turkey has shown its true face once again. The house of cards will one day collapse. The UN are watching, so is the EU. I bet soon enough the US will harden its stance towards Turkey as well. I think it's important to show the world, and the key players, that the RoC is playing fair. Then everybody, including the blind, will see that the 'TRNC' is nothing but a Turkish puppet show and the Turks will be unveiled as the unreasonable invaders they certainly are after 34 years of holding 37% of Cyprus hostage.

You all know more and more TC's are beginning to share this view somewhat. They're starting to realise that they're held hostage by Turkish military. They woke up one day and saw that they were a minority among mainland Turks. They see how those in charge are trying to wash the TC Cypriotness away and transform everybody into obedient Turks loyal to nobody but the Turkish 'deep state'. This 'awakening of the oppressed' is very important, I'd say crucial, to the final solution of the Cyprus problem... not to mention the development of a reunited Cyprus. When GC's and TC's alike think of themselves as Cypriots there will be no mainland Turks left on the island!
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Postby pantheman » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:46 pm

Kafene, you are too slow, I have been saying that for ages.

The only way forward is to strangle the bastards economically and see how far they get. Let turkey feed them, dress them, and house them. She won't do it forever.

The Illegally held areas CANNOT be upgraded as some here threaten, if it were possible it would have benn done ages ago.

By upgrading these atrocities and illegal acts of turkeys, flys in the face of all international laws, human rights and anything good and just. The world would be faced with anarchy as no one would have any excuses to stop any other country doing the same.

The small mind TCs have all but evaporated and another 10 years and they would have gone, boo hoo, now what you going to do.

Time is on our side, we are FULL members of the EU, our economy is great (a little slow now, but....), properity in abundance every one is happy (well not until they get their stolen lands back) and we have a bright future. What do the TCs have? Sweet FA, and the longer they wait the more of it they will get and it doesn't matter how many Bananiots or Alekcens there are (they can all go over and joing their brothers if they like) it won't make a blind bit of difference.

Yes go light your candles, pathetic people, we are being steam rolled all the time by the mother nation and not a single word of protest from any of you. Go light your stupid candles, and make you political statement, cos no one is listening, no one.

If any of you GC on this forum have any connection with Mr X, please get a message to him and tell him to pull his finger out and give those scummy turks a taste of their own medicine. Close all crossing, break off negotiations until, the mother land is ready to talk properly.

Kupie Christofia, please close all crossings immediately, cut off all benefits to the TCs, call for further embargoes from the EU against the North and Turkey, and lets us see just how long they can wait.

Oh I almost forgot, the veto, yes remember that, because that is our trump card.

Have a nice day people.
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Re: Close All Crossings!

Postby T_C » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:57 pm

kafenes wrote:I say close all crossings until a final solution has been reached!


Thats probably what they want kafenes.
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Re: Close All Crossings!

Postby Oracle » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:14 pm

T_C wrote:
kafenes wrote:I say close all crossings until a final solution has been reached!


Thats probably what they want kafenes.


Who are "they" that want this?

The Generals, wanting to punish the TCs for working with the GCs?

I say ... punish away!

Why should we be the only ones punished? The TCs have had it too easy so far and cannot be bothered to put themselves out to do the right thing and demand Turkey withdraws.

So have a real taste of Turkey ... with no crossing over for a taste of Freedom, and see how long you last!

(T_C ... you OK today? :wink: ).
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