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[Paphitis]

The gates were opened by the Turkish side Paphitis.

And we should not have ever allowed anyone to pass, Bananiot.

The Turks opened the gates to give their ailing "trnc" economy a boost. And that is exactly what has occurred. They were on the verge of bankruptcy and collapse!

[Bananiot]

Really Paphitis! Making wild statements is free of charge, of course. Especially the ones that do not take into account political and other repercussions.

[Paphitis]

Really Paphitis! Making wild statements is free of charge, of course. Especially the ones that do not take into account political and other repercussions.

Really! And what political ramifications have I caused this time?

[Kikapu]

Limnitis has never been an open gate Kikapu. I think it may be the next to open. The furore that arose was the refusal to allow pilgrims to cross it to go to nearby Morphou, when all the signals sent were that the granting of permission was just a formality.

I reckon it was a message to Talat that the army still holds the aces and making it difficult for Talat a couple of days before the talks were scheduled to start is like playing the generals' game.

Now now Bananiot. I do not mind reading your explanation regarding the Limnitis not being an official crossing, and I'm fully aware of that, but you seemed to have ignored my comment on the One-Way only traffic that shouldn't be allowed to exist, which was allowed to open, when 1,000 TC's in 58 buses crossed the same non official crossing not so long ago to go into the RoC. So I ask you again. Should any crossing, official or unofficial be allow to operate on a only One way traffic basis or a Two way traffic, and if it's only One -Way traffic, shouldn't that "crossing" be closed permanently, because it creates the unfair and unreasonable feelings amongst the community that is being denied access to it. Blame those who instill such Racist acts that favours needs of only one community over the others, and not those who react to such despicable acts of unfairness.

[denizaksulu]

Limnitis has never been an open gate Kikapu. I think it may be the next to open. The furore that arose was the refusal to allow pilgrims to cross it to go to nearby Morphou, when all the signals sent were that the granting of permission was just a formality.

I reckon it was a message to Talat that the army still holds the aces and making it difficult for Talat a couple of days before the talks were scheduled to start is like playing the generals' game.

Just a thought. Whilst there three weeks ago I heard of demonstrations by TC's who are against any move to return 'Morphou' to the GC's.
Perhaps under the circumstances the Northern administration thought that there may have been a 'security' issue here. Considering that both GCs and TCs have their own hot heads..............................

[kafenes]

Limnitis has never been an open gate Kikapu. I think it may be the next to open. The furore that arose was the refusal to allow pilgrims to cross it to go to nearby Morphou, when all the signals sent were that the granting of permission was just a formality.

I reckon it was a message to Talat that the army still holds the aces and making it difficult for Talat a couple of days before the talks were scheduled to start is like playing the generals' game.

Just a thought. Whilst there three weeks ago I heard of demonstrations by TC's who are against any move to return 'Morphou' to the GC's.
Perhaps under the circumstances the Northern administration thought that there may have been a 'security' issue here. Considering that both GCs and TCs have their own hot heads..............................

Like what kind of 'security' issue, for example, Deniz?

[Tim Drayton]

Limnitis has never been an open gate Kikapu. I think it may be the next to open. The furore that arose was the refusal to allow pilgrims to cross it to go to nearby Morphou, when all the signals sent were that the granting of permission was just a formality.

I reckon it was a message to Talat that the army still holds the aces and making it difficult for Talat a couple of days before the talks were scheduled to start is like playing the generals' game.

Just a thought. Whilst there three weeks ago I heard of demonstrations by TC's who are against any move to return 'Morphou' to the GC's.
Perhaps under the circumstances the Northern administration thought that there may have been a 'security' issue here. Considering that both GCs and TCs have their own hot heads..............................

Yes, Yeni Düzen reports Talat as saying:

http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/templa ... 2&zoneid=3

“Resmi kapı olmayan, kayıt yapılamayan Yeşilırmak’tan Kuzey’e toplu geçiş sakıncalı olurdu. Türklerin buradan Erenköy’e gitmesiyle, Rumların Güzelyurt’a gelmesi aynı şey değil. Çünkü Erenköy kapalı bölge, yerleşim bölgesi değil. Buraya giden BM konvoyuyla gider ve başka bir yere gidemez. Ama ayin için Güzelyurt’a gelen isterse 3 gün sonra Metehan’dan döner. Kayıt olmayacağına göre nasıl kontrol edeceksiniz...”

TRANSLATION:
“It would have been objectionable for a mass crossing from Limnitis, which is not an official crossing point and where records cannot be made, to the North. For the Turks to go from here to Kokkina is not the same thing as Greek Cypriots coming to Morphou. This is because Kokkina is a closed area, it is not a residential area. Those going here go in a UN convoy and cannot go elsewhere. But somebody who goes to Morphou for a religious service may, if they wish, return via Agios Dometios 3 days later. Since there can be no records, how are you going to supervise this.”

Security issues did exist, as voiced by Talat. However, as I have said before, this could have been overcome by laying on a sufficient number of buses to transport the pilgrims. Identity checks could have been carried out on the way, and it could have been made mandatory to return on the same bus after the service. Since the Turkish Cypriots were previously transported to Kokkina by bus, this arrangement would not even have infringed the principle of reciprocity. I don’t think this was the point. I am afraid that the real masters in the north of Cyprus do not wish to send out a good will message at this point in time.

[denizaksulu]

Limnitis has never been an open gate Kikapu. I think it may be the next to open. The furore that arose was the refusal to allow pilgrims to cross it to go to nearby Morphou, when all the signals sent were that the granting of permission was just a formality.

I reckon it was a message to Talat that the army still holds the aces and making it difficult for Talat a couple of days before the talks were scheduled to start is like playing the generals' game.

Just a thought. Whilst there three weeks ago I heard of demonstrations by TC's who are against any move to return 'Morphou' to the GC's.
Perhaps under the circumstances the Northern administration thought that there may have been a 'security' issue here. Considering that both GCs and TCs have their own hot heads..............................

Like what kind of 'security' issue, for example, Deniz?

Like a lot of unpleasant noises to the effect that they would rather die than give Morphou up. With this kind of rhetoric it could cause problems.

Hey Kafenes. I am not supporting anything here. I am just trying to find a 'rationale' for their actions (or inactions). Some actions seem 'illogical'. I am trying to find some logic here. If you have read my previous posts - as I am sure you have - you will see my own response. Personally I do not wish the repeat of the 'Solomou' incident. It would take just one idiot..........

[turkkan]

i dont get this lengthy discussion on closing the borders since there is next to no chance of such a thing happening. You might certainly want/wish it but this government will never do such a thing so why discuss it?

[denizaksulu]

i dont get this lengthy discussion on closing the borders since there is next to no chance of such a thing happening. You might certainly want/wish it but this government will never do such a thing so why discuss it?

Please enlighten us, I/we are curious. Why not?