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[Oracle]

Miltiades supports Cyprus as though it were a mere football club ....

[miltiades]

Piratis

Hali, your rights are not whatever you want them to be. Based on which of your rights you want to rule over north Cyprus, when north Cyprus, like every other part of Cyprus belongs to Greek Cypriots by 82%? Your "right" to ethnically cleanse and steal? Nobody told you that this is not your right, but that it is a crime?

So stop confusing your undemocratic outrageous criminal demands with what you have the right for. Your minority in Cyprus has the same rights that the Greek minority has in Turkey. Why don't you give to our minority in Turkey the rights you demand for your minority in Cyprus? You are a "higher" race than them or what? Or maybe they didn't suffer as well? (they, just like us, suffered tons more than you did)

Halil , absolutely agree with piratis on this one. Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots and all Cypriots have the same rights. You community is no more special than GC's are.

I fail to see how fair and ethical is to kick people out of their homes in order to build a country. Just as unethical the crimes against TC's in the 1960's. Two wrongs cannot make a right.

With an 8 to 2 ratio "democracy" can be exploited to our communities detrement, would you accept this imbalance with Turkey being the majority? Please do not us ask us to put ourselves at the mercy of GCs without a right to say no when and where necessary.

Once you have liberated yourself from the notion that you are not a Cypriot but a Turk then you will always be a minority in realistic terms. You see your self as predominantly a Turk , not a Cypriot , accept that Cyprus is your country and that you are a Cypriot first and foremost and suddenly you discover just as I HAVE , that you are in the majority on this island. By consistently and continually rejecting your Cypriotness you leave your self open to accusations of being a foreigner on this island.

Can the "Cypriots" of Greek origins exploit their numerical advantage to the detrement of "Cypriots" of Turkish origin, how can you expect us to jump into the fire hoping for the best all in the name of we are all "Cypriots". Wake up no one can be that naive.

It appears that those closer to your sentiments as well as those closer to Os' sentiments are the major obstacles in the process of achieving the utmost for our people and our islands' future.
You live in Cyprus , just as O does and yet you align yourselves to foreign nations , befriend them yes but rub yourselves around them , most definitely no.

[miltiades]

Miltiades supports Cyprus as though it were a mere football club ....

Cyprus 10 , Turkey 0 , Greece 0 !!!!

[alekcen]

Piratis we dont u search a bit about the venetian occupation of Cyprus. And also a fact about that time is that the oppression from the Venetians was so much that the most native Cypriot population didnt even help the Venetians in defending Cyprus from the Ottomans. And also another fact is that the Ottomans didnt harm the natives and allowed the Orthodox church to flourish after the harsh years of the Venetian occupation.
Also, the ottomans were conquerors as all the others. All nations have either conquered or being conquered.

About 1955 and so on, please think how logical is wanting "enosis" union with Greece and how would have TC would have reacted which was normal cause that was against their interest and it would have lead to their elimination. ( Also not forgetting that they had partitionist as we had so many in favor of the union)
By the way the eoka struggle was unsuccessful in their main goal , which was union and the failed that, and unfortunately for them independence was gain. An independence which was not respect by many of the fighters and they tried by all means to disolve RoC . Some of their ideas was DOUPLE UNION, which they had secret negotiations with the military Junta in Greece and also with Turkey . ( Those are your heroes)
Our side continued its policy of all or nothing, and rejected the Acheson plan, and also some groups made efforts to dissolve RoC and others made anything possible to throw the TC out of the RoC.

Miltiades, cant agree more with you on the fact that those who want to be Greeks should move to Greece and those wanting to be Turkish should move to Turkey. They have a complex of being Cypriot and they believe that being Greek or Turkish is written in their DNA.
They dont realise that we have been the fools that we have played in their game of interests and that both communities were used.

[Oracle]

Piratis

Hali, your rights are not whatever you want them to be. Based on which of your rights you want to rule over north Cyprus, when north Cyprus, like every other part of Cyprus belongs to Greek Cypriots by 82%? Your "right" to ethnically cleanse and steal? Nobody told you that this is not your right, but that it is a crime?

So stop confusing your undemocratic outrageous criminal demands with what you have the right for. Your minority in Cyprus has the same rights that the Greek minority has in Turkey. Why don't you give to our minority in Turkey the rights you demand for your minority in Cyprus? You are a "higher" race than them or what? Or maybe they didn't suffer as well? (they, just like us, suffered tons more than you did)

Halil , absolutely agree with piratis on this one. Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots and all Cypriots have the same rights. You community is no more special than GC's are.

I fail to see how fair and ethical is to kick people out of their homes in order to build a country. Just as unethical the crimes against TC's in the 1960's. Two wrongs cannot make a right.

With an 8 to 2 ratio "democracy" can be exploited to our communities detrement, would you accept this imbalance with Turkey being the majority? Please do not us ask us to put ourselves at the mercy of GCs without a right to say no when and where necessary.

Once you have liberated yourself from the notion that you are not a Cypriot but a Turk then you will always be a minority in realistic terms. You see your self as predominantly a Turk , not a Cypriot , accept that Cyprus is your country and that you are a Cypriot first and foremost and suddenly you discover just as I HAVE , that you are in the majority on this island. By consistently and continually rejecting your Cypriotness you leave your self open to accusations of being a foreigner on this island.

Can the "Cypriots" of Greek origins exploit their numerical advantage to the detrement of "Cypriots" of Turkish origin, how can you expect us to jump into the fire hoping for the best all in the name of we are all "Cypriots". Wake up no one can be that naive.

It appears that those closer to your sentiments as well as those closer to Os' sentiments are the major obstacles in the process of achieving the utmost for our people and our islands' future.
You live in Cyprus , just as O does and yet you align yourselves to foreign nations , befriend them yes but rub yourselves around them , most definitely no.

Are you unable to substantiate arguments with your own views instead of merely making assumptions on suppositions about what others think.

If nothing else, it makes you sound stupid ....

[utu]

Are you unable to substantiate arguments with your own views instead of merely making assumptions on suppositions about what others think.
If nothing else, it makes you sound stupid ....

If that is what qualifies as stupid, Oracle, then there are a LOT of stupid people on this forum. Pragmatists are in very short supply here, idealists are derided, nihlists are vocal here, and insults fly between forum members with impunity.
We all have our faults, so we have to live with them, as we have to live with the faults of others. It's as simple - and as difficult - as that.

[Kikapu]

Have been living in Cyprus for some years now and have heard statements like the 3 below on several occasions.

1) " The GC's treated the TC's as second class citizens and looked down on them."

2) "The partition of Cyprus is a very sad state of affairs..but lets face it..the GC's asked for what they got in 1974."

3) "We treated the TC's like scum because they are scum."

Comments such as these I have heard from...GC's....TC's...English...English Cypriots.

Personally I have no idea how TC's were treated prior to 74 since I did not live here at that time.

My question therefore is this...Were the TC's treated fairly by the GC's prior to 74...?

Yes they were treated very badly by the majority Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution which the GCs had not intention of maintaining they throw us out of government and had an hidden agenda to gift Cyprus to Greece which put us in danger so we fought back with Turkeys help but GCs will never admit this because if they do it will only support why we do not trust them one inch and need our own part of the island to administer with plenty of safeguards so that neither side is allowed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution

What's the matter VP, did you forget that you were born in the UK in 1962/3 and that you did not move to Cyprus until 1992 at the ripe old age of 30. So how were you persecuted and treated as a second class citizen going through Ercan airport and the crossings, which did not open until 2003, and enjoying the beaches in the north with 40,000 Turkish Troops. Your fabricated story is as bad, if not worse than Liar Soyer's who claimed to have been taken as a prisoner by the EOKA in Kücük Kaymakli in 1963. Liar Soyer refuse to apologize for his lies and instead took off. Are you going to apologize for your lies VP, or are you going to leave us also.??

I'll be waiting for your full apology for making a inaccurate statement VP. Please do me a favour and don't make it last 20 pages of game playing with me to try and wear me down. It did not work for Liar Soyer and it will not work for you, so please don't waste any one's time and lets have your apology pronto for telling a lie.

Still waiting for VP to clarify his claim.

[Oracle]

Are you unable to substantiate arguments with your own views instead of merely making assumptions on suppositions about what others think.
If nothing else, it makes you sound stupid ....

If that is what qualifies as stupid, Oracle, then there are a LOT of stupid people on this forum. Pragmatists are in very short supply here, idealists are derided, nihlists are vocal here, and insults fly between forum members with impunity.
We all have our faults, so we have to live with them, as we have to live with the faults of others. It's as simple - and as difficult - as that.

Thank you utu ... Miltiades knows to what I am referring! It was a rhetorical comment to remind him he is getting nowhere.

[roseandchan]

view point, they must have treated you very badly. now the trnc treats brits with the same second class treatment. we only stay because we love cyprus and its people. hopefully things will change but if they don't i think 5 years from now the trnc will only be populated with tc's and turkish.

[miltiades]

Piratis

Hali, your rights are not whatever you want them to be. Based on which of your rights you want to rule over north Cyprus, when north Cyprus, like every other part of Cyprus belongs to Greek Cypriots by 82%? Your "right" to ethnically cleanse and steal? Nobody told you that this is not your right, but that it is a crime?

So stop confusing your undemocratic outrageous criminal demands with what you have the right for. Your minority in Cyprus has the same rights that the Greek minority has in Turkey. Why don't you give to our minority in Turkey the rights you demand for your minority in Cyprus? You are a "higher" race than them or what? Or maybe they didn't suffer as well? (they, just like us, suffered tons more than you did)

Halil , absolutely agree with piratis on this one. Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots and all Cypriots have the same rights. You community is no more special than GC's are.

I fail to see how fair and ethical is to kick people out of their homes in order to build a country. Just as unethical the crimes against TC's in the 1960's. Two wrongs cannot make a right.

With an 8 to 2 ratio "democracy" can be exploited to our communities detrement, would you accept this imbalance with Turkey being the majority? Please do not us ask us to put ourselves at the mercy of GCs without a right to say no when and where necessary.

Once you have liberated yourself from the notion that you are not a Cypriot but a Turk then you will always be a minority in realistic terms. You see your self as predominantly a Turk , not a Cypriot , accept that Cyprus is your country and that you are a Cypriot first and foremost and suddenly you discover just as I HAVE , that you are in the majority on this island. By consistently and continually rejecting your Cypriotness you leave your self open to accusations of being a foreigner on this island.

Can the "Cypriots" of Greek origins exploit their numerical advantage to the detrement of "Cypriots" of Turkish origin, how can you expect us to jump into the fire hoping for the best all in the name of we are all "Cypriots". Wake up no one can be that naive.

It appears that those closer to your sentiments as well as those closer to Os' sentiments are the major obstacles in the process of achieving the utmost for our people and our islands' future.
You live in Cyprus , just as O does and yet you align yourselves to foreign nations , befriend them yes but rub yourselves around them , most definitely no.

Are you unable to substantiate arguments with your own views instead of merely making assumptions on suppositions about what others think.

If nothing else, it makes you sound stupid ....

There is no need to make assumptions as to where you stand any more than there is a need to assume that you are a woman and that you are full of hatred for anything Turkish. I know exactly what your thinking is , again no need to guess , I have said it before and I will say it again, your contribution towards a solution to the Cyprus problem is equal to throwing petrol on a burning house !!
On this forum you have supplied much salvo to the partitionists who point you , and your like minded , out as one of the reasons they prefer partition. You are helping the enemies of a unified Cyprus by providing them with destructive barriers against unification. Farting and telling the Turkish troops to depart wont work , supporting bravado action wont work , what will work is the political manoeuvres and negotiations that the likes of you are hindering with your short sighted views. And yes , we Cypriots are not kalamarades , we are far too advanced to be compared to them !!