alekcen wrote:Dont you guys think is about time to wake from the fairytale that they teach you? We didnt just wake up one morning and we saw the "bad" Turks invading without any reason .
Lets not forget about us breaking the 1960s constitution , nor forget Akritas plan, nor 1963, or 1967. They suffered too, and durring that period we treated the TC community as second class citizens.
Lets also not forget some of the plans that eoka b leader had, as well as with the cooperation of many other nationalist. This plan was double union. Allowing Turkey to occupy a part of Cyprus and the rest would have been Unified with Greece. Thats what some of the people we celebrate as heroes now tried to do. And u guys u continue on the same path, wanting partition.
We must accept our responsibilities in order to find a solution.
I can't believe you still think we think you're a GC.
Megale DT, amfivalo an esi 3ereis na diavazeis ellinika. Nai, oso kai an sou fenete periergo eime ellinokiprios. Ego omos pisteuo oti i perissoteri edomesa eisaste charlouthkia. Pou den exete kamia sxesi me to ti ginete
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alekcen wrote:Dont you guys think is about time to wake from the fairytale that they teach you? We didnt just wake up one morning and we saw the "bad" Turks invading without any reason .
Lets not forget about us breaking the 1960s constitution , nor forget Akritas plan, nor 1963, or 1967. They suffered too, and durring that period we treated the TC community as second class citizens.
Lets also not forget some of the plans that eoka b leader had, as well as with the cooperation of many other nationalist. This plan was double union. Allowing Turkey to occupy a part of Cyprus and the rest would have been Unified with Greece. Thats what some of the people we celebrate as heroes now tried to do. And u guys u continue on the same path, wanting partition.
We must accept our responsibilities in order to find a solution.
But my dear friend are you forgetting that WE BLAME THE USA for they alone and they - the Americans- are responsible for the invasion of our island and the division. The "poushtoamericani" have caused all our ills. This my friend is what they teach their children in Cyprus , just as the Greeks of Greece blame the Americans for all their problems , so do the G/Cs blame America for the mess we are in. Never mind the fact that it was the Greek Junta who gave the green light to the Turkish invasion, no Sir the Americans gave their blessing to Turkey. We the G/Cs are without a shadow of a doubt equally responsible for the catastrophe that befell on our people , the G/Cs and the T/Cs , we must shoulder our share of the blame.
The Americans had no reason what so ever to support Makarios , the Castro of the Mediterranean , and just as then and so now with so much anti American feeling in Cyprus I'm surprised they still refuse to recognise the "TRNC " .
Dont you guys think is about time to wake from the fairytale that they teach you? We didnt just wake up one morning and we saw the "bad" Turks invading without any reason .
I think it is you who have to wake up from the turkish fairytales you swallow. Of course the Turks didn't invade without any reason. They had a reason: To expand against Cyprus, enslave the Cypriots and exploit us and our island.
Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.
In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.
Whenever we tried to revolt and seek our freedom along with the rest of Greeks under Ottoman rule they butchered us by the 100s and 1000s:
During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.
But even when their rule over Cyprus ended, they still didn't stop fighting against us to stop us from gaining our freedom. In 1958, just 80 years after their oppressive rule had ended, they collaborated with the British Colonialists and attacked us against in order to help the British defeat our revolution:
So yes, the TCs suffered too. The Germans suffered too during the WWII. Does this make them innocent and the victims?
All wars and conflicts in Cyprus, from the very fist one who started the chain of wars between Cypriots and Turks, to the very last one in 1974, and everything in between, including the inter-communal conflict, were wars and conflicts started by the Turks with the aim to expand against our island and deny to Cyprus its freedom. Of course they also suffered and had casualties in those wars, and they will continue to suffer, and they will have more causalities in the future, and they will face even more consequences, if they insist on trying to steal our lands and impose their rule over Cyprus.
We can accept the Turkish minority on our island just like we accept every other minority. The Latins oppressed us as well, but today the members of the Latin minority are equal Cypriot citizens, they are not trying to impose their rule with force anymore, they respect the rest of Cypriots and so they are respected as well.
The same goes with TC minority. They can be equal Cypriot citizens, but they can not be the rules of our island or any part of it. We are not living during the Ottoman era anymore. This is the era of democracy and human rights and the Turks should start respecting this.
Piratis do please take into a/c that our own people were fighting each other prior to the invasion . The Paphians descended upon Limassol in the early days of the coup in support of Makarios , old scores were being settled and many became the victims of the extremists.
Our island has survived many invaders and no doubt it will survive the present . What we must encourage is the involvement of both of our communities in the struggle to force the occupying troops out of Cyprus. We can not do so unless we accept that the T/Cs are part of the integral infrastructure of Cyprus as equals and not as a mere minority .
I am truly sorry for your loss and painbut as you are no doubt aware for every GC loss there are also TC losses, the pain for TCs is hightened because GCs and you are one of them do not acknowledge our suffering, you coose to ignore and avoid it and thet supports our mistrust of GCs every treating us as equals.
Who is not acknowledging your suffering? I acknowledge it, and I am sure Humanist does as well. So who doesn't?
Of course you suffered as well. When there is a war and conflict between two sides most often than not both sides suffer and have casualties.
So our acknowledgment of your suffering is not the issue. The issue is that you are trying to use your past suffering as an excuse to occupy our land and violate our rights today.
I would understand for you to have such demands if you were the innocent victims and us the evil aggressors. But that is not the case. All the conflicts and wars we had, right from the first one in 1571, in 1821 (and many in between), in 1958 and in 1974, where all started by you against us. Also it is you who caused the most by far suffering and casualties to us, and you who oppressed us, violated our rights and occupied our lands for the longest time (somehting that you continue doing today).
So we do not object to the fact that you suffered or you had casualties. What we object is to your efforts to continue committing crimes against us today, trying to excuse them with some past suffering of several decades ago, forgetting that it is you who started the conflicts and you who caused far more suffering to us.
So let me get this straight you do not object to the fact that we suffered because you suffered more and that gave you the right to seek revenge for the atrosties commited by our ancestors? Whats to stop you from still bearing a grudge and yet again seeking revenge? there is no guarantees thats why we demand them to ensure you behave yourselves and all us access to our country which you have hijacked and exploited for the past 45 years.
Although we have suffered way way more than you, we did not seek revenge, neither we are now.
Your oppressive rule was over just 8 decades earlier, but in the 1950s we had already forgave you and we were living peacefully with you. Where did you see the "revenge"?
In 1955 we simply revolted against the British rule (just like we had done against the Ottoman rule many times in the past) to seek our freedom from the foreign oppressors. We had not touched you, we only fought for our rights and freedom.
And then you started to demand and make plans for our annihilation from the north part of our country, and in 1958 you attacked us and collaborated with the British in order to oppress our revolution.
The inter-communal conflict was started by you and we just responded to your attacks. The same was true for the 1974 invasion. You had not been harmed in 1974 until after July 20th when you again started to kill and ethnically cleanse us.
So VP, my point is clear: Yes, you suffered and you had casualties and nobody denies this. But what you should stop denying is the fact that you started the wars and conflicts in which we both suffered, and you have caused way more suffering to us than the suffering you received in response.
Therefore how can you demand today to have gains on our loss?? You have no right to demand such thing.
And I repeat: although we suffered and continue to suffer a lot from you, we are not trying to punish you, like you are trying to punish us. What we want is finally to be allowed to have democracy and human rights for all Cypriots and nobody to be punished and nobody to be rewarded on the loss of another.
Pirates says ''We can accept the Turkish minority on our island just like we accept every other minority.''
halil and TC's says :''politically equal Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot constituent states, which will have a single international identity''
Pirates says ''We are not living during the Ottoman era anymore''
Halil says :'' we are not at 63's any more ''
Pirates says''trying to impose their rule with force ''
Halil says '' Yes sir , you tried once on the TC's ''
Pirates says''democracy and human rights and the Turks should start respecting this.''
Halil says '' It applies for the TC's rights to , it is our democratic rights to choose what we want to do . You should have respects TC's rights and demands too''
Pirates says :they will continue to suffer, and they will have more causalities in the future, and they will face even more consequences, if they insist on trying to steal our lands and impose their rule over Cyprus.
Halil just laugh above words of Pirates ..... he forgets someting( ....... )
Piratis do please take into a/c that our own people were fighting each other prior to the invasion . The Paphians descended upon Limassol in the early days of the coup in support of Makarios , old scores were being settled and many became the victims of the extremists.
Sure. And in Turkey they had several coups and they killed each other as well. Does this mean Greece should have invaded them to "save the Greek minority" when in fact the coupists where not targeting them?
Our island has survived many invaders and no doubt it will survive the present . What we must encourage is the involvement of both of our communities in the struggle to force the occupying troops out of Cyprus. We can not do so unless we accept that the T/Cs are part of the integral infrastructure of Cyprus as equals and not as a mere minority .
What does it mean "mere minority"? Kafenes or "Armenian Cypriot" who belong to the Armenian minority are not equal Cypriots? There is nothing "mere" in belonging to an ehtnic minority. It is just a recognition that certain part of the population has some differences and this part of the population recognized as an ehtnic minority helps to protect this ethnic group.
For example the Turks for years denied that there is a Kurdish minority in Turkey. They used to call them "Mountain Turks". Recognizing an ehtnic minority is a plus for those people and not a minus.
alekcen wrote:Dont you guys think is about time to wake from the fairytale that they teach you? We didnt just wake up one morning and we saw the "bad" Turks invading without any reason .
Lets not forget about us breaking the 1960s constitution , nor forget Akritas plan, nor 1963, or 1967. They suffered too, and durring that period we treated the TC community as second class citizens.
Lets also not forget some of the plans that eoka b leader had, as well as with the cooperation of many other nationalist. This plan was double union. Allowing Turkey to occupy a part of Cyprus and the rest would have been Unified with Greece. Thats what some of the people we celebrate as heroes now tried to do. And u guys u continue on the same path, wanting partition.
We must accept our responsibilities in order to find a solution.
But my dear friend are you forgetting that WE BLAME THE USA for they alone and they - the Americans- are responsible for the invasion of our island and the division. The "poushtoamericani" have caused all our ills. This my friend is what they teach their children in Cyprus , just as the Greeks of Greece blame the Americans for all their problems , so do the G/Cs blame America for the mess we are in. Never mind the fact that it was the Greek Junta who gave the green light to the Turkish invasion, no Sir the Americans gave their blessing to Turkey. We the G/Cs are without a shadow of a doubt equally responsible for the catastrophe that befell on our people , the G/Cs and the T/Cs , we must shoulder our share of the blame. The Americans had no reason what so ever to support Makarios , the Castro of the Mediterranean , and just as then and so now with so much anti American feeling in Cyprus I'm surprised they still refuse to recognise the "TRNC " .
They do not refuse to recognise the "TRNC" ... they cannot recognise the "TRNC" because it is illegal.
You can stop sucking up to them now, in case you feared they might just turn round and recognise it because they merely got fed up with what somebody said .....
