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[denizaksulu]

Deniz,
You're wrong about one thing.The Ottomans never rented Cyprus to Great Britain.Great Britain were more than right to take Cyprus over,as the Ottomans were shite administrators.Cyprus is only an independent country,thanks to the British.

Aidan.

Ok they leased it then, in 1878. The same thing.

[BC Numismatics]

Deniz,
The Ottomans actually ceded Cyprus in 1878,but it wasn't given a colonial government until 1914.Cyprus was under military administration in the same way that Bosnia-Hercegovina was under Austrian military rule between 1879 & 1908.

Aidan.

[repulsewarrior]

but the 'leasing' is the point; like so many agreements made by Turkey, parts of this one are ignored as well.

that is why, to this day, except for a very short period in the early 60's has Turkey refused to recognise Cypriot Sovereignty over this island.

[BC Numismatics]

Repulsewarrior,
It is because the Turks are still trying to impose their braindead Taksim idea.The Greek-speaking Cypriots gave up on the idea of Enosis once they realised how braindead that pipedream was.

Aidan.

[repulsewarrior]

again, as we focus on the future, instead of the past...

please, read my manifesto, support it if you will, openly; at least as a basis of discussion.
(or i would like your alternative that is more Just)

and if OP is reading, you started something which you did not finish; read again.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19022

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

open your mind, imagine three governments in Jerusalem, imagine three in Nicosia as well...

[DT.]

again, as we focus on the future, instead of the past...

please, read my manifesto, support it if you will, openly; at least as a basis of discussion.
(or i would like your alternative that is more Just)

and if OP is reading, you started something which you did not finish; read again.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19022

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

open your mind, imagine three governments in Jerusalem, imagine three in Nicosia as well...

A land filled with civil servants....oh joy.

[BC Numismatics]

Repulsewarrior,
I can envisage only one government in Nicosia - the Government of the Federal Republic of Cyprus.


Aidan.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,
The Ottomans actually ceded Cyprus in 1878,but it wasn't given a colonial government until 1914.Cyprus was under military administration in the same way that Bosnia-Hercegovina was under Austrian military rule between 1879 & 1908.

Aidan.

Its only palying with words. Whatever it was called. Britain was supposed to be paying some 'monies' to the Porte for this 'cession' as you call it. I call it rental, lease whatever. The point which began this was the issue of the 'if' this happened or 'if' that happened etc. Thanks for YOUR history lesson. I really needed it.

[Viewpoint]

I am truly sorry for your loss and painbut as you are no doubt aware for every GC loss there are also TC losses, the pain for TCs is hightened because GCs and you are one of them do not acknowledge our suffering, you coose to ignore and avoid it and thet supports our mistrust of GCs every treating us as equals.

Who is not acknowledging your suffering? I acknowledge it, and I am sure Humanist does as well. So who doesn't?

Of course you suffered as well. When there is a war and conflict between two sides most often than not both sides suffer and have casualties.

So our acknowledgment of your suffering is not the issue. The issue is that you are trying to use your past suffering as an excuse to occupy our land and violate our rights today.

I would understand for you to have such demands if you were the innocent victims and us the evil aggressors. But that is not the case. All the conflicts and wars we had, right from the first one in 1571, in 1821 (and many in between), in 1958 and in 1974, where all started by you against us. Also it is you who caused the most by far suffering and casualties to us, and you who oppressed us, violated our rights and occupied our lands for the longest time (somehting that you continue doing today).

So we do not object to the fact that you suffered or you had casualties. What we object is to your efforts to continue committing crimes against us today, trying to excuse them with some past suffering of several decades ago, forgetting that it is you who started the conflicts and you who caused far more suffering to us.

So let me get this straight you do not object to the fact that we suffered because you suffered more and that gave you the right to seek revenge for the atrosties commited by our ancestors? Whats to stop you from still bearing a grudge and yet again seeking revenge? there is no guarantees thats why we demand them to ensure you behave yourselves and all us access to our country which you have hijacked and exploited for the past 45 years.

[humanist]

VP you are a bullshit artist. You have never once stated precisely what safeguards you want. Name them so we the dumb GC's can get it and see if we can offer the safeguards your community requires for a united Cyprus under a BBF. We have hijacked and exploited for 45 years? who has excluded 200,000 people from their homes and 800,000 from part of their country?