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[Viewpoint]

Have been living in Cyprus for some years now and have heard statements like the 3 below on several occasions.

1) " The GC's treated the TC's as second class citizens and looked down on them."

2) "The partition of Cyprus is a very sad state of affairs..but lets face it..the GC's asked for what they got in 1974."

3) "We treated the TC's like scum because they are scum."

Comments such as these I have heard from...GC's....TC's...English...English Cypriots.

Personally I have no idea how TC's were treated prior to 74 since I did not live here at that time.

My question therefore is this...Were the TC's treated fairly by the GC's prior to 74...?

Yes they were treated very badly by the majority Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution which the GCs had not intention of maintaining they throw us out of government and had an hidden agenda to gift Cyprus to Greece which put us in danger so we fought back with Turkeys help but GCs will never admit this because if they do it will only support why we do not trust them one inch and need our own part of the island to administer with plenty of safeguards so that neither side is allowed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution

What's the matter VP, did you forget that you were born in the UK in 1962/3 and that you did not move to Cyprus until 1992 at the ripe old age of 30. So how were you persecuted and treated as a second class citizen going through Ercan airport and the crossings, which did not open until 2003, and enjoying the beaches in the north with 40,000 Turkish Troops. Your fabricated story is as bad, if not worse than Liar Soyer's who claimed to have been taken as a prisoner by the EOKA in Kücük Kaymakli in 1963. Liar Soyer refuse to apologize for his lies and instead took off. Are you going to apologize for your lies VP, or are you going to leave us also.??

I'll be waiting for your full apology for making a inaccurate statement VP. Please do me a favour and don't make it last 20 pages of game playing with me to try and wear me down. It did not work for Liar Soyer and it will not work for you, so please don't waste any one's time and lets have your apology pronto for telling a lie.

Still waiting for VP to clarify his claim.

Apologies, didnt see this post, being a regular visitor to Cyprus from the age of 5 onwards you can work out at what ages I was exposed to Gc discrimination. I dont need to lie, there are plenty of older TCs who can put forward information that confirms what I have stated, TCs were treated as second class citizens from 1963 to 1974.

[Viewpoint]

Have been living in Cyprus for some years now and have heard statements like the 3 below on several occasions.

1) " The GC's treated the TC's as second class citizens and looked down on them."

2) "The partition of Cyprus is a very sad state of affairs..but lets face it..the GC's asked for what they got in 1974."

3) "We treated the TC's like scum because they are scum."

Comments such as these I have heard from...GC's....TC's...English...English Cypriots.

Personally I have no idea how TC's were treated prior to 74 since I did not live here at that time.

My question therefore is this...Were the TC's treated fairly by the GC's prior to 74...?

Yes they were treated very badly by the majority Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution which the GCs had not intention of maintaining they throw us out of government and had an hidden agenda to gift Cyprus to Greece which put us in danger so we fought back with Turkeys help but GCs will never admit this because if they do it will only support why we do not trust them one inch and need our own part of the island to administer with plenty of safeguards so that neither side is allowed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution

What's the matter VP, did you forget that you were born in the UK in 1962/3 and that you did not move to Cyprus until 1992 at the ripe old age of 30. So how were you persecuted and treated as a second class citizen going through Ercan airport and the crossings, which did not open until 2003, and enjoying the beaches in the north with 40,000 Turkish Troops. Your fabricated story is as bad, if not worse than Liar Soyer's who claimed to have been taken as a prisoner by the EOKA in Kücük Kaymakli in 1963. Liar Soyer refuse to apologize for his lies and instead took off. Are you going to apologize for your lies VP, or are you going to leave us also.??

I'll be waiting for your full apology for making a inaccurate statement VP. Please do me a favour and don't make it last 20 pages of game playing with me to try and wear me down. It did not work for Liar Soyer and it will not work for you, so please don't waste any one's time and lets have your apology pronto for telling a lie.

Still waiting for VP to clarify his claim.

Apologies, didnt see this post, being a regular visitor to Cyprus from the age of 5 onwards you can work out at what ages I was exposed to GC discrimination and negative effect it had on my childhood. I dont need to lie, there are plenty of older TCs who can put forward information that confirms what I have stated, TCs were treated as second class citizens from 1963 to 1974.

[humanist]

and the war in 74 had negative affects on my childhood and yet I promote one unified Cyprus for all Cypriots get a life go seek some coiunselling. Jesus you are a self centred individual.

[Viewpoint]

and the war in 74 had negative affects on my childhood and yet I promote one unified Cyprus for all Cypriots get a life go seek some coiunselling. Jesus you are a self centred individual.

You are right we are all individuals and are effected differently, I will not apologise for wanting safeguards and a solution where we as Turkish Cypriots will not be excluded from running our country if we decide to unite. Your view of a united Cyprus is exposing us to the dangers of allowing GCs to exploit their numerical advantage to my determent, if you feel this will never happen then whats the problem with putting safeguards in place that will become redundent anyway, makes me feel you are not to sure that GCs will behave.

[Piratis]

Piratis

Although we have suffered way way more than you, we did not seek revenge, neither we are now.

So what was 1963? and whats to stop you from reneging on your word like the past?

In 1963 we simply proposed changes to the constidution of our own country. Nothing illegal or wrong with this. If you don't want us proposing changes, then all you have to do is to accept from the beginning something which is fair and democratic, instead of trying to blackmail us and force us to accept somehting undemocratic and unfair which obviously we will not be able to stand for long.

Your oppressive rule was over just 8 decades earlier, but in the 1950s we had already forgave you and we were living peacefully with you. Where did you see the "revenge"?

Your hidden agenda to gift our island to Greece.

In 1955 we simply revolted against the British rule (just like we had done against the Ottoman rule many times in the past) to seek our freedom from the foreign oppressors. We had not touched you, we only fought for our rights and freedom.

Freedom to push us into the lap of Greece and ultimate danger fearing for our lives, I think that fear alone gives me the right to fight for survival.

And then you started to demand and make plans for our annihilation from the north part of our country, and in 1958 you attacked us and collaborated with the British in order to oppress our revolution.

In direct response to your enosis dream.

There was nothing hidden about our desire for freedom. You knew it from the very first day that all Greek territories and island revolted seeking our freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

So just like you butchered us by the 100s in 1821, and in all our revolts back then, again in 1958 you attacked us and started to kill us again just because we dared to ask for our freedom from a foreign ruler which you supported.

Being free from foreign rulers, be it Turks, British or whatever was our right and being part of the rest of the Greek state was what we wanted and what we had the right for, just like all the other Greeks in all other Greek islands and territories. I like it how for you it is fine if Cyprus is under the Turks or Ottomans, but it is not fine if Cyprus is part of the free Greek state which is what the Cypriots themselves wanted.

So you confirm what I had already said: YOU again attacked us, again started to kill us, and again tried to oppress our revolution. And the excuse you give for this is that you supposedly had the right to attack us and kill us, just like you did in 1821, just because we demanded our freedom from foreign empires that imposed their rule on Cyprus by force and against our will!

The inter-communal conflict was started by you and we just responded to your attacks. The same was true for the 1974 invasion. You had not been harmed in 1974 until after July 20th when you again started to kill and ethnically cleanse us.

So you expected us to sit back and wait for you to fight amongest yourselves when all the signs were that once you had finished you would turn on us, we fought for survival and woudl do the same tomorrow if we felt threatened by your actions, this is a natural reaction.

So as you admit we were fighting amongst ourselves. What you forgot to mention was that the democratically elected president and the great majority of the Cypriot people where against the coup. Makarios was already at the UN condemning the coup, and Cypriots where fighting against the coupists. If there were some people that wanted to harm you those were only a tiny minority and nothing more. What you should have done was to simply join Greek Cypriots and the president of Cyprus in our fight against the coupists. But instead of that you found this moment of anarchy and confusion as a good moment to attack us again, start killing Cypriots by the 1000s and ethnically cleansing us by the 100s of thousands, and putting into action your plan of partitioning Cyprus that you had since the 50s.

Therefore how can you demand today to have gains on our loss?? You have no right to demand such thing.

All we demand are our right to not be put at the mercy of GCs in our own country, the right to say no when the majority wants to place us in danger or tries to froce us to do anything against our will.

In democracies you don't do whatever you feel like. You have your human and democratic rights, but beyond that you have to accept the democratic choices of the Cypriot people as a whole either you like them or not.

And I repeat: although we suffered and continue to suffer a lot from you, we are not trying to punish you, like you are trying to punish us. What we want is finally to be allowed to have democracy and human rights for all Cypriots and nobody to be punished and nobody to be rewarded on the loss of another.

Are Switzerland, Belgium, Serbia and Montenegro not democracies?

Those are separate regions that either choose to be together (Switzerland, Belgium) or choose to be separate (Serbia and Montenegro). You do not own a separate Cyprus region.
The problem is that you are trying to steal part of our island which belongs by 82% to us and make it your region, when in fact it is mostly our region like the whole of Cyprus.

[Kikapu]

Have been living in Cyprus for some years now and have heard statements like the 3 below on several occasions.

1) " The GC's treated the TC's as second class citizens and looked down on them."

2) "The partition of Cyprus is a very sad state of affairs..but lets face it..the GC's asked for what they got in 1974."

3) "We treated the TC's like scum because they are scum."

Comments such as these I have heard from...GC's....TC's...English...English Cypriots.

Personally I have no idea how TC's were treated prior to 74 since I did not live here at that time.

My question therefore is this...Were the TC's treated fairly by the GC's prior to 74...?

Yes they were treated very badly by the majority Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution which the GCs had not intention of maintaining they throw us out of government and had an hidden agenda to gift Cyprus to Greece which put us in danger so we fought back with Turkeys help but GCs will never admit this because if they do it will only support why we do not trust them one inch and need our own part of the island to administer with plenty of safeguards so that neither side is allowed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution

What's the matter VP, did you forget that you were born in the UK in 1962/3 and that you did not move to Cyprus until 1992 at the ripe old age of 30. So how were you persecuted and treated as a second class citizen going through Ercan airport and the crossings, which did not open until 2003, and enjoying the beaches in the north with 40,000 Turkish Troops. Your fabricated story is as bad, if not worse than Liar Soyer's who claimed to have been taken as a prisoner by the EOKA in Kücük Kaymakli in 1963. Liar Soyer refuse to apologize for his lies and instead took off. Are you going to apologize for your lies VP, or are you going to leave us also.??

I'll be waiting for your full apology for making a inaccurate statement VP. Please do me a favour and don't make it last 20 pages of game playing with me to try and wear me down. It did not work for Liar Soyer and it will not work for you, so please don't waste any one's time and lets have your apology pronto for telling a lie.

Still waiting for VP to clarify his claim.

Apologies, didnt see this post, being a regular visitor to Cyprus from the age of 5 onwards you can work out at what ages I was exposed to GC discrimination and negative effect it had on my childhood. I dont need to lie, there are plenty of older TCs who can put forward information that confirms what I have stated, TCs were treated as second class citizens from 1963 to 1974.

Well, finally after having posted the same post 3 times, you have seen it.

I'm not doubting regarding the discrimination part, because way back Halil told us the same thing early this year, but at that time, you did not say anything about you also being discriminated and treated badly by the GC's. It is also interesting that you have never in the last two years ever mentioned that you came to Cyprus for a visit early as 5 years old. Between 1968 and 1974 TC's were getting out of Cyprus, and you and your family were coming to Cyprus for a holiday or for a family visits from the UK....Really.?? I find that hard to believe, specially since you have not ever mentioned about coming to Cyprus before 1974. Lets just say I have my reservations about your visits as early as 5 years old between 1968 - 1974.

[roseandchan]

i wasn't having a go at the average person like halil. my point was that the trnc goverment are giving us brits a hard time at the moment. it is totally racist. the new law they are looking at, is to stop uni educated expats from working in the trnc. basically you could look at it as they only want the stupid expats here. after all they have found enough to sell greek land to already. the price of electric has gone up 100% since last year. if an expat doesn't pay up on time they get cut off and charged loads of money to get reconnected. my tc neighbour has a 7,000 ytl outstanding electric bill and still is connected. ( no he doesn't run blackpool illuminations!)we get no free medical assistance here. this is how the pecking order goes: tc's first(fair enough) turkish second. brits and other e.u expats third. lots of brits are leaving they have had all they are going to take.

[BC Numismatics]

Roseandchan,
How much is 7,000 Turkish Lira in relation to Euros? Do you ever see Euros up there in northern Cyprus?

The so-called 'T.R.N.C. Government' is just being ridiculous.Banning university-educated expatriates from working up there is just plain dumb.That is how you stop investment in the economy.

Aidan.

[roseandchan]

3,255.81 in sterling. i'm not sure of euro rate today. yes in the last few months most shops and areas prices can be charged in YTL. sterling or euro.
i think the goverment here are trying to safeguard jobs for the tc community but this is not the way to go about it. education for the children is. getting back the tc's which have left to live elsewhere is. when our friend a returning tc, who lived in the uk for 40 years returned this year. he has been treaded badly by this goverment, land and tax wise. why would they want to come back? what incentives are being offered to them? none! the previous goverment was ok with regards to being and expat here, but since this goverment has been in power things have gone down hill. It is clear they don't want us here. well not anyone with a brain anyway,lol.

[BC Numismatics]

Roseandchan,
The administration in northern Cyprus is only a committee,not a government.The only legal Cypriot Government is the one in Nicosia.

Aidan.