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[Oracle]

Piratis,
The British may not have been the perfect administrators in Cyprus,but they were the best.They didn't go around slaughtering innocent men,women,& children like the Turks have done,& are still doing.

Aidan.

Aidan ... "administrators" as you call them, was a euphemism for ruling us against our will.

Weighing up the number of slaughters, and saying, on that basis, the British were better than the Turks, doesn't make our Human desire for freedom and liberty from all forms of oppression, less justified.

Oracle,
You are forgetting one thing.Cyprus was a British colony between 1878 & 1960.If it hadn't been for the British,then there wouldn't even be a country called Cyprus.They were not only the legal administrators,they were also the legal rulers as well.

Aidan.

That is a highly hypothetical supposition and probably a most unlikely outcome, considering there has been a country called Cyprus for tens of Centuries, despite many foreign rulers.

Is it not more likely that if we were not so unfortunate as to have had the strongest stranglehold from the British Empire during its most glorious years until the 50's, and had instead still been "languishing" in the realms of a crumbling Ottoman Empire, that we may have had more strength and oppurtunities to remove the Ottomans at least by 1923, if not before?

[Cem]

Oracle said:

Is it not more likely that if we were not so unfortunate as to have had the strongest stranglehold from the British Empire during its most glorious years until the 50's, and had instead still been "languishing" in the realms of a crumbling Ottoman Empire, that we may have had more strength and oppurtunities to remove the Ottomans at least by 1923, if not before?[/

O'Rattle,

If you ever cross to the north one day, a lot of Ottomans will be anxiously waiting for you there, my dear.

Here is a sample below ( I can guess, you are already looking forward to it and started drooling over it).

[Oracle]

Oracle said:

Is it not more likely that if we were not so unfortunate as to have had the strongest stranglehold from the British Empire during its most glorious years until the 50's, and had instead still been "languishing" in the realms of a crumbling Ottoman Empire, that we may have had more strength and oppurtunities to remove the Ottomans at least by 1923, if not before?[/

O'Rattle,

If you ever cross to the north one day, a lot of Ottomans will be anxiously waiting for you there, my dear.

Here is a sample below ( I can guess, you are already looking forward to it and started drooling over it).

So what were you called before 1923 then Cem, as that was what I was referring to if you look again!

I look forward to "crossing" to the north when those of your ilk are gone

[Cem]

Oracle said:

Is it not more likely that if we were not so unfortunate as to have had the strongest stranglehold from the British Empire during its most glorious years until the 50's, and had instead still been "languishing" in the realms of a crumbling Ottoman Empire, that we may have had more strength and oppurtunities to remove the Ottomans at least by 1923, if not before?[/

So what were you called before 1923 then Cem, as that was what I was referring to if you look again!

I look forward to "crossing" to the north when those of your ilk are gone

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So ?? You still believe that the reason you (GCs) could not get rid of turks earlier, just because the british empire was at the height of its power at that time ??
My, my !! What a simplistic way of looking at things !

As for my ilk, sorry to disappoint you, but we will be staying here even if :
1) a solution to CyProb is found ( I doubt that)
2) present status quo remains..

In both cases, we will be here....

Sorry to disappoint you, I just wanted to cheer you up with the picture knowing how you love the true Turks, not double-dealing TCs who betrayed the Gcs as we did..

BTW, dear O'Rattle, in case a solution is found, there will be nothing to prevent the E.U citizen Turks from coming over to ROC to set up their mini businesses such as kebap houses, tapestry stores, etc.. Right ??

After all, there are 3 million turkish guest workers in germany ("Gastarbeiters" as they are called) a substantial part of whom already holds german passports...Allmost all are from mainland Turkey..

Though less in numbers, there are substantial number of E.U citizen turks in other EU states such as Benelux countries, France, Austria...
And turks, over years, have evolved into a different types of "nomads" than their predecessors invading and plundering other countries.

They have now evolved into "businessmen" type of nomads..
And any E.U citizen can reside in any E.U country if I am not mistaken..
And what you are gonna do in this case, Cherie ???
Maybe, you may want to cross to the north to find solace and peace of mind...

[boomerang]

I highly doubt it...I think you will find most of the turks in the EU are kurds...second and third generation living in slumbs...

If they haven't made it, they are staying put...but we are quite happy to accept the ones that made it...the elite...you be mad to say no to the elite...they bring money and provide employment...

[boomerang]

Actually if "turkey=fascist state" had any brains she would have owned Cyprus outright as we speak...return the occupied and buys us out due to our close proximity...do a japan if you like...with high trading volumes...

But I think when god was screaming out line up for brains the turks thought they heard trains... ...hence they didn't line up

[Magnus]

"Turkish Gastarbeiters"

[Viewpoint]

Have been living in Cyprus for some years now and have heard statements like the 3 below on several occasions.

1) " The GC's treated the TC's as second class citizens and looked down on them."

2) "The partition of Cyprus is a very sad state of affairs..but lets face it..the GC's asked for what they got in 1974."

3) "We treated the TC's like scum because they are scum."

Comments such as these I have heard from...GC's....TC's...English...English Cypriots.

Personally I have no idea how TC's were treated prior to 74 since I did not live here at that time.

My question therefore is this...Were the TC's treated fairly by the GC's prior to 74...?

Yes they were treated very badly by the majority Im ld enough to remember being treated as second class citizens at airports crossing points, beaches shopping areas etc, after agreeing to a new constitution which the GCs had not intention of maintaining they throw us out of government and had an hidden agenda to gift Cyprus to Greece which put us in danger so we fought back with Turkeys help but GCs will never admit this because if they do it will only support why we do not trust them one inch and need our own part of the island to administer with plenty of safeguards so that neither side is allowed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Cem]

I highly doubt it...I think you will find most of the turks in the EU are kurds...second and third generation living in slumbs...

If they haven't made it, they are staying put...but we are quite happy to accept the ones that made it...the elite...you be mad to say no to the elite...they bring money and provide employment...

In Germany, turks definitely outnumber kurds and a substantial part of third generation- turk or kurd doesn't matter -have moved up the social ladder and to some extent mingled with the locals of their host country.
And not all are living in the slums...
Moreover, the ROC does not have the luxury of discriminating between the "elite" and the average guy, as pushing back someone from the latter group is in violation of E.U rules and rights.
You don't want me to believe that all E.U citizens in the south are the creams of their society, do you ??
Therefore, be ready to see not only well-to-do merchants, but also street sellers of kebaps and "lahmadjoun" and hawkers of various sort in ROC folllowing a solution to CyProb..
And I am really looking forward to it just to see the faces of turk-haters swarming this forum..

[halil]

If the Turkish Cypriots were treated fairly Connor , we wouldn't argue now.

there will be no Cyprus problem at all and world will not engaged with Cyprus problem since 1963 .

And this island will be truly island of the love

we will not called bloody Noel