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[humanist]

Why is Christofias taken a back seat on this. I feel as though Talat is doing a better job in advocating for his people than Christofias in representing his voters.

[Viewpoint]

Maybe he realizes that he has to give in order to get.

[utu]

Why is Christofias taken a back seat on this. I feel as though Talat is doing a better job in advocating for his people than Christofias in representing his voters.

He could be treating this as a game of chess between masters. Sometimes, its best to let the opponent make the first moves so that one can size up a strategy to counter...

[humanist]

be afraid be very afraid ..... when dealing with Turkey

[utu]

be afraid be very afraid ..... when dealing with Turkey

That can apply to a number of countries, Humanist.

[humanist]

yes it can but we are occupied through invasion by Turkey, whish not only violates human rights of GC's but is also responsible for the sufrage of TC's. Whether they would like (or can) admit it or not.

[utu]

yes it can but we are occupied through invasion by Turkey, whish not only violates human rights of GC's but is also responsible for the sufrage of TC's. Whether they would like (or can) admit it or not.

Then we will first have to win the battle of semantics. So much seems to ride on what words are used: one side says 'invasion', while the othe side says 'rescue'. True, Turkey's intervention was rather heavy-handed (kind of like Russia's intervention in Georgia), but the TC's did have a real fear of what would happen to them had Sampson's coup succeeded, so they aren't complaining. Still, the fact that the Turkish Forces did not withdraw after the collapse of the coup took away their moral high ground IMHO. Had they done so, it would have seriously changed the world view of the conflict, and Turkey would have been regarded as the heroes by the international community... C'est la vie...

[zan]

yes it can but we are occupied through invasion by Turkey, whish not only violates human rights of GC's but is also responsible for the sufrage of TC's. Whether they would like (or can) admit it or not.

Any chance in adding what you are doing to the equation gov???? Didn't think so....

[zan]

yes it can but we are occupied through invasion by Turkey, whish not only violates human rights of GC's but is also responsible for the sufrage of TC's. Whether they would like (or can) admit it or not.

Then we will first have to win the battle of semantics. So much seems to ride on what words are used: one side says 'invasion', while the othe side says 'rescue'. True, Turkey's intervention was rather heavy-handed (kind of like Russia's intervention in Georgia), but the TC's did have a real fear of what would happen to them had Sampson's coup succeeded, so they aren't complaining. Still, the fact that the Turkish Forces did not withdraw after the collapse of the coup took away their moral high ground IMHO. Had they done so, it would have seriously changed the world view of the conflict, and Turkey would have been regarded as the heroes by the international community... C'est la vie...

I have asked before and never got a conclusive answer Utu but hand Cyprus back to whom??? The Greeks never wanted a return to the Zurich agreement and we have been trying to find an alternative ever since. OR.....Would the return to our isolation and virtual non-existence been fair???

[utu]

I have asked before and never got a conclusive answer Utu but hand Cyprus back to whom??? The Greeks never wanted a return to the Zurich agreement and we have been trying to find an alternative ever since. OR.....Would the return to our isolation and virtual non-existence been fair???

That's a good question, and one which I would hesitate to answer. The bottom line is that Turkish Cypriots do not trust Greek Cypriots and vice versa. Pragmatists seem to agree that independence is the best way forward for both camps, yet the fears regarding enosis on one side and taksim on the other are dominating inter-Cypriot relations. I personally would like to see a single Cypriot state with adequate safeguards to ensure none of the population groups on the island are discriminated against, or are dominated by the other(s). It's a big thing to ask both sides to drop their mistrust and try and build a new country together, but if Cyprus is to succeed as an independent nation, there must be commitment.