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Postby dinos » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:09 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Miltiades wrote:at the ripe age of 72 should the unexpected happen


Nothing can be unexpected after the age of 72 my dear friend.! :lol: :lol:

Personally, it was a BAD choice for the Republicans, which I'm happy about. The thinking behind such silly choice by McCain was, that all women have equal status in politics, therefore if Hillary's women supporters will not get Hillary as a VP with the Democrats, they will vote for another women in the same position, with the Republicans. I guess McCain thinks that women are just sheep and will follow another women no matter what. It did not work for the Mondale/Ferraro ticket in 1984 and it will not work this time. I even expect McCain to lose some intelligent Republican women voters after his selection of Palin.


I guess somebody's going to have to take care of McCain's infirm ass while Cindy shuffles around between all their properties. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: McCain makes a dreadful error of judjement

Postby Oracle » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:21 pm

miltiades wrote: ... a 44 year old mother of 5 with absolutely no experience in foreign affairs what so ever will become the commander in chief of the worlds no one superpower !!!

My own conclusion on the matter is that McCain has received some lousy advice on his choice of running mate .


We have such along way to go if you men think that those are not worthwhile credentials ... :lol:

My only objection to her, other than that she is Republican, is her staunchly Catholic/Evangelical bigotry giving her a "right" to over-populate the planet ... and teach Creationism instead of Evolution in American schools. Jeez! :roll:

Is "secular" America really facing choosing between a Muslim and a Catholic :shock:
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Re: McCain makes a dreadful error of judjement

Postby miltiades » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:40 am

Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote: ... a 44 year old mother of 5 with absolutely no experience in foreign affairs what so ever will become the commander in chief of the worlds no one superpower !!!

My own conclusion on the matter is that McCain has received some lousy advice on his choice of running mate .


We have such along way to go if you men think that those are not worthwhile credentials ... :lol:

My only objection to her, other than that she is Republican, is her staunchly Catholic/Evangelical bigotry giving her a "right" to over-populate the planet ... and teach Creationism instead of Evolution in American schools. Jeez! :roll:

Is "secular" America really facing choosing between a Muslim and a Catholic :shock:

In todays Sunday times , Minette Marrin a columnist for The Sunday Times and one of my favourite columnists has this to say about the selection of Palin by McCain.
"""" In their ghastly harrumphing electoral extravaganzas the Americans show themselves at their worst - vulgar, venal, naive, dishonest, stupid, wasteful, tasteless and vicious. Priggish though it may sound, I prefer to ignore these periods of national hysteria; after all, politics is nasty everywhere, it’s just that America does everything in extremes.

But last week everything changed. John McCain’s choice of Governor Sarah Palin was the last straw. It makes American politics look like a sick comedy.
This has little to do with Palin’s views. I disagree passionately with some of them, but the Republicans are entitled to present any views they choose to the electorate. Nor do I share the objections to Sarah Barracuda of the liberal sisterhood; unlike them I don’t in the least object to an ambitious woman being right-wing. I am rather right-wing myself, and Margaret Thatcher is one of my heroines.

Unlike the lily-livered liberal intelligentsia, I admire Palin for being a good shot and a good fisherwoman, and capable of butchering large wild animals in her basement, though I do not share her rather unsporting enthusiasm for shooting wolves out of small aircraft. I admire her for her determination, for her energy and her self-possession. I admire the virtues of small-town and frontier America. As for her grooming and her cunningly chosen glasses, if I don’t admire the results, I do admire the self-discipline and self-respect behind them.

All the same, her selection was a shock. What horrified me was not so much the woman herself, though she is clearly entirely unfit to be vice-president or president. It was McCain’s cynical and sudden choice of her. Would you give power of attorney over your entire life to someone you had only met once, or possibly twice? Of course not. You would give the matter and the person very serious consideration. Yet McCain in effect is offering power of attorney over all the affairs of the United States and over all Americans, including me, to a woman he had barely met. I myself wouldn’t hire a house-sitter on such scant acquaintance.

Palin herself may not know what a vice-president is for, but McCain surely must. He must know that a vice-president needs to be someone the president can trust and rely on and work with. Such a person is not easy to find, even when highly qualified in other ways. It takes time. It’s a personal matter, a question of psychological fit and mutual understanding.

Obviously McCain’s public relations people have been scouring the country for libertarian babes. But politics is not painting by numbers. McCain doesn’t know Palin at all, nor it seems did his vetting people; revelations keep emerging about her all the time. But he showed himself willing to hand the free world over to a stranger because his people think she is a psephological paragon.

I had thought that McCain was, for a politician, an honourable man. Certainly honour is one of his top selling points. But who can think so now? In choosing a woman he doesn’t know or understand, purely for electoral advantage, he reveals a dishonourable lust for office, a disrespect for women generally and a dishonourable indifference to the future of his country. After all, if this known unknown woman does become president, it will almost certainly be because he himself is dead - quite possible given his age and health - and past caring.

Though he didn’t know Palin personally, he must have known a few facts about her. He must have known that she compares feebly with previous vice-presidential candidates. Her education is minimal, her real political and managerial experience very slight. The only previous woman candidate for vice-president, the Democrat Geraldine Ferraro, was well qualified, well educated and experienced; Palin can’t hold a candle to her. Palin’s experience is as nothing compared to that of Dick Cheney (congressman, secretary of defence and White House chief of staff), Al Gore (senator and congressman) or George Bush Sr (congressman, ambassador to the United Nations and China, head of the CIA). Being a vice-president is not just a matter of PR and homespun rhetoric, or used not to be.

Even a brief consideration of Palin might suggest that she is not the straightforward redneck hockey mom she claims to be. It’s not possible to be much of a mom to five children, including a baby with Down’s syndrome, if you have a more than full-time job. Like other people with working responsibilities, you have to hand your children over to someone else to bring up. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it denies you the right to exploit your image as a yummy downhome mummy.

In short Palin is an ill-educated, inexperienced hypocrite. The Republicans are trying to sell her to the voters as something she isn’t, and McCain hardly cares what she is. It’s a bad day for my native land.
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Re: McCain makes a dreadful error of judjement

Postby Kikapu » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:06 am

miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote: ... a 44 year old mother of 5 with absolutely no experience in foreign affairs what so ever will become the commander in chief of the worlds no one superpower !!!

My own conclusion on the matter is that McCain has received some lousy advice on his choice of running mate .


We have such along way to go if you men think that those are not worthwhile credentials ... :lol:

My only objection to her, other than that she is Republican, is her staunchly Catholic/Evangelical bigotry giving her a "right" to over-populate the planet ... and teach Creationism instead of Evolution in American schools. Jeez! :roll:

Is "secular" America really facing choosing between a Muslim and a Catholic :shock:

In todays Sunday times , Minette Marrin a columnist for The Sunday Times and one of my favourite columnists has this to say about the selection of Palin by McCain.
"""" In their ghastly harrumphing electoral extravaganzas the Americans show themselves at their worst - vulgar, venal, naive, dishonest, stupid, wasteful, tasteless and vicious. Priggish though it may sound, I prefer to ignore these periods of national hysteria; after all, politics is nasty everywhere, it’s just that America does everything in extremes.

But last week everything changed. John McCain’s choice of Governor Sarah Palin was the last straw. It makes American politics look like a sick comedy.
This has little to do with Palin’s views. I disagree passionately with some of them, but the Republicans are entitled to present any views they choose to the electorate. Nor do I share the objections to Sarah Barracuda of the liberal sisterhood; unlike them I don’t in the least object to an ambitious woman being right-wing. I am rather right-wing myself, and Margaret Thatcher is one of my heroines.

Unlike the lily-livered liberal intelligentsia, I admire Palin for being a good shot and a good fisherwoman, and capable of butchering large wild animals in her basement, though I do not share her rather unsporting enthusiasm for shooting wolves out of small aircraft. I admire her for her determination, for her energy and her self-possession. I admire the virtues of small-town and frontier America. As for her grooming and her cunningly chosen glasses, if I don’t admire the results, I do admire the self-discipline and self-respect behind them.

All the same, her selection was a shock. What horrified me was not so much the woman herself, though she is clearly entirely unfit to be vice-president or president. It was McCain’s cynical and sudden choice of her. Would you give power of attorney over your entire life to someone you had only met once, or possibly twice? Of course not. You would give the matter and the person very serious consideration. Yet McCain in effect is offering power of attorney over all the affairs of the United States and over all Americans, including me, to a woman he had barely met. I myself wouldn’t hire a house-sitter on such scant acquaintance.

Palin herself may not know what a vice-president is for, but McCain surely must. He must know that a vice-president needs to be someone the president can trust and rely on and work with. Such a person is not easy to find, even when highly qualified in other ways. It takes time. It’s a personal matter, a question of psychological fit and mutual understanding.

Obviously McCain’s public relations people have been scouring the country for libertarian babes. But politics is not painting by numbers. McCain doesn’t know Palin at all, nor it seems did his vetting people; revelations keep emerging about her all the time. But he showed himself willing to hand the free world over to a stranger because his people think she is a psephological paragon.

I had thought that McCain was, for a politician, an honourable man. Certainly honour is one of his top selling points. But who can think so now? In choosing a woman he doesn’t know or understand, purely for electoral advantage, he reveals a dishonourable lust for office, a disrespect for women generally and a dishonourable indifference to the future of his country. After all, if this known unknown woman does become president, it will almost certainly be because he himself is dead - quite possible given his age and health - and past caring.

Though he didn’t know Palin personally, he must have known a few facts about her. He must have known that she compares feebly with previous vice-presidential candidates. Her education is minimal, her real political and managerial experience very slight. The only previous woman candidate for vice-president, the Democrat Geraldine Ferraro, was well qualified, well educated and experienced; Palin can’t hold a candle to her. Palin’s experience is as nothing compared to that of Dick Cheney (congressman, secretary of defence and White House chief of staff), Al Gore (senator and congressman) or George Bush Sr (congressman, ambassador to the United Nations and China, head of the CIA). Being a vice-president is not just a matter of PR and homespun rhetoric, or used not to be.

Even a brief consideration of Palin might suggest that she is not the straightforward redneck hockey mom she claims to be. It’s not possible to be much of a mom to five children, including a baby with Down’s syndrome, if you have a more than full-time job. Like other people with working responsibilities, you have to hand your children over to someone else to bring up. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it denies you the right to exploit your image as a yummy downhome mummy.

In short Palin is an ill-educated, inexperienced hypocrite. The Republicans are trying to sell her to the voters as something she isn’t, and McCain hardly cares what she is. It’s a bad day for my native land.


A good article Miltiades.

Here is what I think on what McCain did by taking on Palin as his VP.

McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, the turn coat Democrat, closet Republican opportunist slime bag. But the Right Wing would not support him had he done that, which meant no chance of winning the election, so he got someone like Palin to win the Right Wing over, and it seems to have worked, no matter how terrible and unready she is for the job as a VP. This has increased McCain's chances of winning a bit, but not by much. I believe, if he wins the Presidency, he will dump Palin as his VP and take on his good turncoat slime bag friend Joe Lieberman. By this time, the Right Wing cannot do anything. It will be a bit like Prince Charles marrying Diana to breed with her to produce 2 sons to be the heir to the throne, all the while he was screwing Camilla Parker Bowles, and eventually "killed off" Diana so that he can be with his old lover once again.!!
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Re: McCain makes a dreadful error of judjement

Postby Oracle » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:21 am

miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote: ... a 44 year old mother of 5 with absolutely no experience in foreign affairs what so ever will become the commander in chief of the worlds no one superpower !!!

My own conclusion on the matter is that McCain has received some lousy advice on his choice of running mate .


We have such along way to go if you men think that those are not worthwhile credentials ... :lol:

My only objection to her, other than that she is Republican, is her staunchly Catholic/Evangelical bigotry giving her a "right" to over-populate the planet ... and teach Creationism instead of Evolution in American schools. Jeez! :roll:

Is "secular" America really facing choosing between a Muslim and a Catholic :shock:

In todays Sunday times , Minette Marrin a columnist for The Sunday Times and one of my favourite columnists has this to say about the selection of Palin by McCain.
"""" In their ghastly harrumphing electoral extravaganzas the Americans show themselves at their worst - vulgar, venal, naive, dishonest, stupid, wasteful, tasteless and vicious. Priggish though it may sound, I prefer to ignore these periods of national hysteria; after all, politics is nasty everywhere, it’s just that America does everything in extremes.

But last week everything changed. John McCain’s choice of Governor Sarah Palin was the last straw. It makes American politics look like a sick comedy.
This has little to do with Palin’s views. I disagree passionately with some of them, but the Republicans are entitled to present any views they choose to the electorate. Nor do I share the objections to Sarah Barracuda of the liberal sisterhood; unlike them I don’t in the least object to an ambitious woman being right-wing. I am rather right-wing myself, and Margaret Thatcher is one of my heroines.

Unlike the lily-livered liberal intelligentsia, I admire Palin for being a good shot and a good fisherwoman, and capable of butchering large wild animals in her basement, though I do not share her rather unsporting enthusiasm for shooting wolves out of small aircraft. I admire her for her determination, for her energy and her self-possession. I admire the virtues of small-town and frontier America. As for her grooming and her cunningly chosen glasses, if I don’t admire the results, I do admire the self-discipline and self-respect behind them.

All the same, her selection was a shock. What horrified me was not so much the woman herself, though she is clearly entirely unfit to be vice-president or president. It was McCain’s cynical and sudden choice of her. Would you give power of attorney over your entire life to someone you had only met once, or possibly twice? Of course not. You would give the matter and the person very serious consideration. Yet McCain in effect is offering power of attorney over all the affairs of the United States and over all Americans, including me, to a woman he had barely met. I myself wouldn’t hire a house-sitter on such scant acquaintance.

Palin herself may not know what a vice-president is for, but McCain surely must. He must know that a vice-president needs to be someone the president can trust and rely on and work with. Such a person is not easy to find, even when highly qualified in other ways. It takes time. It’s a personal matter, a question of psychological fit and mutual understanding.

Obviously McCain’s public relations people have been scouring the country for libertarian babes. But politics is not painting by numbers. McCain doesn’t know Palin at all, nor it seems did his vetting people; revelations keep emerging about her all the time. But he showed himself willing to hand the free world over to a stranger because his people think she is a psephological paragon.

I had thought that McCain was, for a politician, an honourable man. Certainly honour is one of his top selling points. But who can think so now? In choosing a woman he doesn’t know or understand, purely for electoral advantage, he reveals a dishonourable lust for office, a disrespect for women generally and a dishonourable indifference to the future of his country. After all, if this known unknown woman does become president, it will almost certainly be because he himself is dead - quite possible given his age and health - and past caring.

Though he didn’t know Palin personally, he must have known a few facts about her. He must have known that she compares feebly with previous vice-presidential candidates. Her education is minimal, her real political and managerial experience very slight. The only previous woman candidate for vice-president, the Democrat Geraldine Ferraro, was well qualified, well educated and experienced; Palin can’t hold a candle to her. Palin’s experience is as nothing compared to that of Dick Cheney (congressman, secretary of defence and White House chief of staff), Al Gore (senator and congressman) or George Bush Sr (congressman, ambassador to the United Nations and China, head of the CIA). Being a vice-president is not just a matter of PR and homespun rhetoric, or used not to be.

Even a brief consideration of Palin might suggest that she is not the straightforward redneck hockey mom she claims to be. It’s not possible to be much of a mom to five children, including a baby with Down’s syndrome, if you have a more than full-time job. Like other people with working responsibilities, you have to hand your children over to someone else to bring up. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it denies you the right to exploit your image as a yummy downhome mummy.

In short Palin is an ill-educated, inexperienced hypocrite. The Republicans are trying to sell her to the voters as something she isn’t, and McCain hardly cares what she is. It’s a bad day for my native land.


When America could have had Hilary Clinton and blew their chance to shine ... they have now gone from the sublime to the ridiculous!

McCain has given us a glimpse of his poor ability to make judgements and decisions .... but perhaps he knows his electorate better than we do :roll:
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Re: McCain makes a dreadful error of judjement

Postby miltiades » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:35 am

Kikapu wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:
miltiades wrote: ... a 44 year old mother of 5 with absolutely no experience in foreign affairs what so ever will become the commander in chief of the worlds no one superpower !!!

My own conclusion on the matter is that McCain has received some lousy advice on his choice of running mate .


We have such along way to go if you men think that those are not worthwhile credentials ... :lol:

My only objection to her, other than that she is Republican, is her staunchly Catholic/Evangelical bigotry giving her a "right" to over-populate the planet ... and teach Creationism instead of Evolution in American schools. Jeez! :roll:

Is "secular" America really facing choosing between a Muslim and a Catholic :shock:

In todays Sunday times , Minette Marrin a columnist for The Sunday Times and one of my favourite columnists has this to say about the selection of Palin by McCain.
"""" In their ghastly harrumphing electoral extravaganzas the Americans show themselves at their worst - vulgar, venal, naive, dishonest, stupid, wasteful, tasteless and vicious. Priggish though it may sound, I prefer to ignore these periods of national hysteria; after all, politics is nasty everywhere, it’s just that America does everything in extremes.

But last week everything changed. John McCain’s choice of Governor Sarah Palin was the last straw. It makes American politics look like a sick comedy.
This has little to do with Palin’s views. I disagree passionately with some of them, but the Republicans are entitled to present any views they choose to the electorate. Nor do I share the objections to Sarah Barracuda of the liberal sisterhood; unlike them I don’t in the least object to an ambitious woman being right-wing. I am rather right-wing myself, and Margaret Thatcher is one of my heroines.

Unlike the lily-livered liberal intelligentsia, I admire Palin for being a good shot and a good fisherwoman, and capable of butchering large wild animals in her basement, though I do not share her rather unsporting enthusiasm for shooting wolves out of small aircraft. I admire her for her determination, for her energy and her self-possession. I admire the virtues of small-town and frontier America. As for her grooming and her cunningly chosen glasses, if I don’t admire the results, I do admire the self-discipline and self-respect behind them.

All the same, her selection was a shock. What horrified me was not so much the woman herself, though she is clearly entirely unfit to be vice-president or president. It was McCain’s cynical and sudden choice of her. Would you give power of attorney over your entire life to someone you had only met once, or possibly twice? Of course not. You would give the matter and the person very serious consideration. Yet McCain in effect is offering power of attorney over all the affairs of the United States and over all Americans, including me, to a woman he had barely met. I myself wouldn’t hire a house-sitter on such scant acquaintance.

Palin herself may not know what a vice-president is for, but McCain surely must. He must know that a vice-president needs to be someone the president can trust and rely on and work with. Such a person is not easy to find, even when highly qualified in other ways. It takes time. It’s a personal matter, a question of psychological fit and mutual understanding.

Obviously McCain’s public relations people have been scouring the country for libertarian babes. But politics is not painting by numbers. McCain doesn’t know Palin at all, nor it seems did his vetting people; revelations keep emerging about her all the time. But he showed himself willing to hand the free world over to a stranger because his people think she is a psephological paragon.

I had thought that McCain was, for a politician, an honourable man. Certainly honour is one of his top selling points. But who can think so now? In choosing a woman he doesn’t know or understand, purely for electoral advantage, he reveals a dishonourable lust for office, a disrespect for women generally and a dishonourable indifference to the future of his country. After all, if this known unknown woman does become president, it will almost certainly be because he himself is dead - quite possible given his age and health - and past caring.

Though he didn’t know Palin personally, he must have known a few facts about her. He must have known that she compares feebly with previous vice-presidential candidates. Her education is minimal, her real political and managerial experience very slight. The only previous woman candidate for vice-president, the Democrat Geraldine Ferraro, was well qualified, well educated and experienced; Palin can’t hold a candle to her. Palin’s experience is as nothing compared to that of Dick Cheney (congressman, secretary of defence and White House chief of staff), Al Gore (senator and congressman) or George Bush Sr (congressman, ambassador to the United Nations and China, head of the CIA). Being a vice-president is not just a matter of PR and homespun rhetoric, or used not to be.

Even a brief consideration of Palin might suggest that she is not the straightforward redneck hockey mom she claims to be. It’s not possible to be much of a mom to five children, including a baby with Down’s syndrome, if you have a more than full-time job. Like other people with working responsibilities, you have to hand your children over to someone else to bring up. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it denies you the right to exploit your image as a yummy downhome mummy.

In short Palin is an ill-educated, inexperienced hypocrite. The Republicans are trying to sell her to the voters as something she isn’t, and McCain hardly cares what she is. It’s a bad day for my native land.


A good article Miltiades.

Here is what I think on what McCain did by taking on Palin as his VP.

McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, the turn coat Democrat, closet Republican opportunist slime bag. But the Right Wing would not support him had he done that, which meant no chance of winning the election, so he got someone like Palin to win the Right Wing over, and it seems to have worked, no matter how terrible and unready she is for the job as a VP. This has increased McCain's chances of winning a bit, but not by much. I believe, if he wins the Presidency, he will dump Palin as his VP and take on his good turncoat slime bag friend Joe Lieberman. By this time, the Right Wing cannot do anything. It will be a bit like Prince Charles marrying Diana to breed with her to produce 2 sons to be the heir to the throne, all the while he was screwing Camilla Parker Bowles, and eventually "killed off" Diana so that he can be with his old lover once again.!!

I agree Kikapu , I think McCain honed on the women's 'vote as well as the right wing as you say . He political "affiliations" were seen as very encouraging for the Republicans. I still think that McCain will win more than 300 EVs and will be the next President.
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