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[erolz]

I have never said that the North was more mine than yours> I simply answered the question why I would not want to live in the south (whoever asked it).

This was your reply to Kifeas.

And previously to that you said

Also the North is nicer than the south We have better mountains and better beaches

What do you mean by 'we'? Your statement to Kifeas simply contradicts itself. Do you mean to say that the north is now yours (menaing TC's)? Are you accepting and agreeing that what was taken away from the rightful owners of land in the north is ok?

What I mean by we is those of us who live in the north. I can not help it if you read into a innocent statement things that are not their. The question was why would I not want to live in the south. Part of the answer for me was because I think the north is nicer than the south in it's geology (ie nicer mountains, nicer beaches). There is nothing in my statment about me claiming that it was taken from you in 74 is OK and that you think there is, is to me testement of your own paranoia.

You are in my view still fixated by having two ethically pure regions in Cyprus and using the pretext of 'nation states' as a way of justifying this separation.

I have no such fixation at all. I have stated that for me political protection for the TC community from political dominance by the GC community is my concern. Clearly I can say this till I am blue in the face and still you will insist that I want two ethnicaly pure states - again more a reflection of your paranioas imo.
If you say to me a TCCS that has an ethnic element is racists (as you and other have repeatedly said here) then my response is that it is no more racist than the notion of a nation state that is based predominately on the same ethnic component.

The main bone of contention for TC's in the past has been political equality.

This is still my main bone of contention personaly. Other TC clearly feel that bi zonality is also important.

You can have your political equality. Nobody begrudges that.

BS. Lot's of GC begrudge us that. They begrudge us it in 1960, in 63-74 and many still begrudge us it today. To say otherwise is to live in illusion.

It does not mean that you have to userp the rightful owners of land and property in the north. Most GC's don't care about the political setup of a future Cyprus. WHat they do care about is to have back what is rightfully theirs. What you have now is not rightfully yours to keep!

I have never said that we have a right to all the land Turkey sieized in 74, just as you have and had no right to seize all government in Cyprus prior to 74. Either we manage to negotiate a deal where you give back what is rightfully ours and we give back what is rightfully yours, or we do not.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Erolz

Sir. I commend you on your ability in remaining calm and collected throughout this forum, even under the greatest of provocation.

Whilst I am an exceptionally new "poster" I have been following with some interest the debates which have sometimes raged in this forum.

One thing bothers me and it may be an irrational fear but I get the feeling that GCs actually want it ALL. They do not seem to want to share.

Is ALL of Cyprus their God given right?

[brother]

Hi suetoniuspaulinus and welcome to the forum,

One thing bothers me and it may be an irrational fear but I get the feeling that GCs actually want it ALL. They do not seem to want to share.

Is ALL of Cyprus their God given right?

No it is not their given right but some do think that albeit they are fewer in number but never the less do exist, imo most gc are exactley like the tc and just want an agreed peace deal so that they can get on with their lives with no worry of what is going to happen in the future etc.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Brother

The more I read here the better I understand that there are good and bad in all societies. I also am ready to believe that "Joe Average" be he Greek Turk Armenian or Zulu simply wants to get on with his life and look after his family and kids, or maybe get married or buy a new car or whatever.

And then we come to Politics and Education and Brainwasdhing and Propoganda and all the devices that a state may use to influence the masses, including religion. None of this stuff is healthy in any society because it helps to herd the sheep into a "pen" or pigeonhole where they then vote Labour or Conservative or BNF.

It seems to me that ordinary sensible people are not in the majority, or that they follow a party or ideology because of non rational reasons. eg Football crowds.

I sense that the GC's believe they are 100% right. or at least 70% of them do. This is my gut feeling and I would be happy to be wrong.

The Cyprus Problem will only be changed over time when the hearts and minds of All are ready to accept each other as equal human beings.

This will not be good for business and I believe both sides are being hoodwinked by those in power for the benefit of those who are already wealthy.

[magikthrill]

you know suet these GCs you are referring to who believe are right still acknowledge the wrongdoings of their community's past.

i am not sure though as to what exactly the GCs are doing wrong at the moment.

there are the occasional flukes where idiots decide to take other TCs to court but at the same time I can understand these peoples frustration, although it really will lead to only a worst case scenario.

i feel like most GCs understand in the event of any solution the TCs will get much more at the expense of GCs (which is a sad truth) which is why many GCs might seem like they want it ALL, but this is not the case IMO.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Hello Magikthrill

It is difficult to understand another persons point of view unless you step into his shoes for a while.

I think this is probably the real value of a forum like this where first of all we can discover that there are reasonable individuals on both sides of the Green Line

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Magikthrill

I have to admit your signature has me intrigued. Care to explain?

[gabaston]

ok magic talk your way out of this one.....

[magikthrill]

brother is teaching me turkish. he told me it means "give peace a chance"

[gabaston]

ok.