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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 12, 2005 4:36 pm

metecyp wrote: Sorry my friend but I think you're trying to simplify the issue here. I don't think that turkcyp has "Ottoman" way of thinking and you have "European" way of thinking. Turkcyp has concerns for his community (like I do) and you have concerns for your community. He believes that ensuring bicommunality is the way to satisfy his community's concerns. I believe that ensuring bizonality along with bicommunality is the way to satisfy my community's concerns. For you, it's a different story. Your community is the majority so pluralism, pure democracy with no privliges, multiculturalism are all fair game because they cannot hurt your community. These words actually embellish your argument but we know your ultimate motive is to protect your community's interests.

We need to make sure we have a voice in Cyprus after 40 years of exclusion from decision-making. That's why we ask for safeguards which are completely compatible with EU values. If this is "Ottoman" way of thinking for you, let it be that but don't expect us to risk our future for the sake of "European" mentality.

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If you read more carefully my previous posting I said the following: “I said many times that I am willing to look at alternative and indirect ways in which the TC’s need for an effective political decision-making power will be satisfied. I even made suggestions towards this direction.” That simply means that I appreciated and respect your community’s particular interests and concerns and I am willing to accommodate them.

However, in your posting, do you mean to say that 95 thousand TCs plus 75 thousand Anatolian settlers on the one hand and 700 thousand GCs on the other hand, should be permanently segregated in an institutionalized manner and have an absolutely equal saying in the running of the country? Is this what you mean?
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 12, 2005 4:50 pm

garbitsch wrote:P.S: If the court declares Belgian constitution violates the EU constitution, then the whole political system of Belgium collapses. I am quite sure that Belgians do know what they are doing...


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What I ask you is to give me the definitions of what constitutes each one of the Communal councils. i.e., On what basis they are formed. The name of each one them doesn't mean anything, unless you examine the formulation basis of each council. Who is allowed to elect these councils and who is allowed to be elected in them? Is it on the basis of "ethnicity" irrespective of area of residence?

If you like the Belgian model, I am happy to introduce it in Cyprus as well, irrespective of whether it might violate or not the, to-be, E.U. constitution.

Can you provide the link for this Belgian constitution?
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Postby metecyp » Thu May 12, 2005 5:17 pm

Kifeas wrote:However, in your posting, do you mean to say that 95 thousand TCs plus 75 thousand Anatolian settlers on the one hand and 700 thousand GCs on the other hand, should be permanently segregated in an institutionalized manner and have an absolutely equal saying in the running of the country? Is this what you mean?

First of all, where do you get these numbers? Once we were 150.000, then 120.000, and now 95.000? Soon enough, we'll be not more than Maronites according to you.

Secondly, I'm not asking 50:50 on everything but I'm asking for a mechanism that will enable TCs to stop the majority forcing their will on them. I also want to make sure that TCs will never be able to excluded from the decision-making for another 40 years and most importantly, I'm asking for a guaranteed security arrangement for TCs which translates into bizonality. And, no, I don't want to depend on your goodwill.
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Postby turkcyp » Thu May 12, 2005 5:21 pm

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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 12, 2005 6:02 pm

turkcyp wrote:
metecyp wrote:First of all, where do you get these numbers? Once we were 150.000, then 120.000, and now 95.000? Soon enough, we'll be not more than Maronites according to you.


Man those numbers he had put down was actually an improvement. What are you talking about. At least TCs are majority in the north among those numbers.

Funny thing though, 95+70=165, and the population is around 210 or 220s. Where is the rest I do not know! :D

By the way, CTP-DP government announced that they will be conducting a internationally monitored census next year. The whole reality will be coming to open next year, wither to our dismay or to GCs dismay.


Do not change my numbers! I wrote 95 thousand plus 75 thousand, which equals to 170 thousand. This is the number of settlers that were expected to remain after a solution as per A-plan5. Some settlers (very few,) were "meant" to go back to Turkey. Yes! Indigenous TCs are no more that 95 thousand. An extra about 10-12 thousand settlers are married with TCs. The TC population in 1973 was only 118 thousand. With the rate of population increase (which was always similar to the population increase of the GCs,) today they (TCs) would have been about 147 thousand. However we all know that almost 35% of the TCs has emigrated from north Cyprus, after 1974.

turkcyp wrote:By the way, CTP-DP government announced that they will be conducting a internationally monitored census next year.

It is about time so that we all learn the truth.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 12, 2005 6:16 pm

metecyp wrote:
I also want to make sure that TCs will never be able to excluded from the decision-making for another 40 years and most importantly,

You were excluded from decision making because your community's leadership had chosen to do so, especially after 1974.

metecyp wrote:I'm asking for a guaranteed security arrangement for TCs which translates into bizonality.

Bizonality is what will guarantee your security? I thought it was the right for unilateral intervention by Turkey that was associated with TC's security concerns?

metecyp wrote:And, no, I don't want to depend on your goodwill.

However, at the same time that you say the above, you want (expect) the 700 thousand GCs to depend on the goodwill of 95 thousand TCs and most importantly (even worse) to depend on the goodwill of 75 thousand foreigners (Turkish settlers.)
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 12, 2005 6:19 pm

turkcyp wrote:
Kifeas wrote:However we all know that almost 35% of the TCs has emigrated from north Cyprus, after 1974.



Ohh. I am sorry I missed the day RoC conducted a worldwide census to see what percentage of TCs had emmigrated to overseas.

Or is this one of those sources which has to be classifies as, "Some things can not be said."


No! It is your entire TC media and politicians which report all these figures.
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