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[utu]

Regardless of what Oracle is saying here in this thread, it is fair to say that the Russian recognition move has not helped the situation in Cyprus any. Turkey - faced with Kyprianou's ultimatum, the public sentiment in Turkey shifting away from the EU, and now Russia recognizing South Ossetia and Abkazia which are both entities which it had invaded in response to a Georgian attack (sound familiar?) - is going to be taking a far more jaundiced view of things. If things don't settle down, hopes of acheiving anything concrete in the upcoming negotiations will dwindle to zero...

[miltiades]

Hey when Obama is President we will have the US, the EU and Russia, all begging to let them beat the Turks up for us .....

When Obama becomes President and I become the Pope then we can add the vatican as one of our staunch supporters !!

Miltiades became pope after the Roman emperor Galerius had passed an edict of toleration ending the persecution of Greek Cypriots !

What do you want to wager that Obama will be the next President? Personally I would love to see you dressed as the Pope

Oracle I'm willing to bet a small sum , the winnings donated to a charity of your choice , lets say 200 euro , that the next President of the USA will not be Obama and further more that Obama will lose by a substantial margin. I have been a political observer for tens of years and I believe I shall be right on this occasion . Are you on ?
The Limassol orphanage would be a worthy recipient since the children there are almost forgotten by all .

[Raymanoff]

You dont need to be a political observer for tens of years, here is my ANALisis
Rednecks vs Ni***rs... so far there are more Rednecks...

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personally, i dislike McCain, Obama looks more energetic and it looks like he will turn his course into internal affairs leaving his VP to do the dirty job outside

[miltiades]

Regardless of what Oracle is saying here in this thread, it is fair to say that the Russian recognition move has not helped the situation in Cyprus any. Turkey - faced with Kyprianou's ultimatum, the public sentiment in Turkey shifting away from the EU, and now Russia recognizing South Ossetia and Abkazia which are both entities which it had invaded in response to a Georgian attack (sound familiar?) - is going to be taking a far more jaundiced view of things. If things don't settle down, hopes of acheiving anything concrete in the upcoming negotiations will dwindle to zero...

My dear friend , I think your supposition is wrong. Turkey first of all is not "shifting " away from the EU , at least the European and International press agree that Turkey is strongly committed to entering the EU . As far as the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkazia by Russia is concerned , no serious international or European political observer has as yet attempted to point out that the Russian move has helped the Cyprus situation which is utterly different from that of the two "states " .
The UN will not recognise what Russia already has the EU will most definitely not do so , most if not all of the Baltic states will also not do so , so who on earth will follow Russia in recognising these two " states" . Will Turkey be tempted to do so ? I very much doubt it , the US wouldn't allow it since they may very well threaten Turkey with recognition of the Kurdish movement !!
Russia , along with a handful of insignificant nations might be the only ones .

[miltiades]

You dont need to be a political observer for tens of years, here is my ANALisis
Rednecks vs Ni***rs... so far there are more Rednecks...

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personally, i dislike McCain, Obama looks more energetic and it looks like he will turn his course into internal affairs leaving his VP to do the dirty job outside

Personally I do not dislike Obama or McCain , I also think that Obama would make a good president , but somehow reality sets in and tells me that a substantial number of Democrats will not vote for him based purely on colour , the question is how substantial is this number . Commentators punters are putting out a figure of about 35% , if this was to be so McCain will win by a landslide . No one has yet come up with a figure as how many Republicans will vote for Obama. As far as I'm concerned the result of the USA election is a foregone conclusion.

[Kikapu]

You dont need to be a political observer for tens of years, here is my ANALisis
Rednecks vs Ni***rs... so far there are more Rednecks...

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personally, i dislike McCain, Obama looks more energetic and it looks like he will turn his course into internal affairs leaving his VP to do the dirty job outside

Personally I do not dislike Obama or McCain , I also think that Obama would make a good president , but somehow reality sets in and tells me that a substantial number of Democrats will not vote for him based purely on colour , the question is how substantial is this number . Commentators punters are putting out a figure of about 35% , if this was to be so McCain will win by a landslide . No one has yet come up with a figure as how many Republicans will vote for Obama. As far as I'm concerned the result of the USA election is a foregone conclusion.

Miltiades,

Let me remind you, that the US elections are fought, won and lost on individual states and not by who gets the most votes in the whole country. In another words, if a candidate wins key states that has enough Electoral College votes that will push it to 270 and over, the game is over, regardless of the overall vote by individuals. Both Gore and Kerry lost the elections by handful of Electoral College votes where one small state can change the whole election outcome.!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College

[DT.]

now that the Greek and Armenian lobbies are represented in his VP then watch out for a cash influx into the Obama campaign.

[Kikapu]

Come again Kikapu? Why do you want me to state the obvious? There are many parallels that can be drawn, even with the invasion of Greece of Asia Minor in 1919. And, of course it is not exactly the same as Cyprus, it could never be.

I did not want you to state the obvious Bananiot, but when you make such statement as below, you gave me no choice but to ask the question, just because what you said can only imply, that what happened between Georgia and Russia is the same as to what happened Between Turkey and Cyprus. The only thing that can be the same, is had the "trnc" had been a "state" and been part of Cyprus territory, as the case is with South Ossetia and Abkazia in Georgian territory. Your statement can easily mislead those who are less than familiar with the Cyprus situation and with those of Georgia and South Ossetia and Abkazia.

What Russia did is not much different to what Turkey did in Cyprus in 1974.

[Kikapu]

By the way, has anyone seen a response from the Cyprus government? Normally a response to an imperialist invasion comes seconds after the invasion. What are we waiting for? Did Christofias swallow his tongue?

You may be correct Bananiot, but the other question you did not ask, which is, why isn't Turkey and the "trnc" celebrating what Russia did by invading Georgia and recognising South Ossetia and Abkazia.?? Is it because the West is against what Russia did and Turkey and the "trnc" are trying to keep a low profile. I personally think what Russia did is going to expose the Cyprus situation as a whole which will put the pressure on Turkey and the "trnc" to find a solution and not sabotage the peace process in the hopes of gaining any kind of recognition to the "trnc" by blaming others. This may have a negative effect also, which is that the GC's may be less incline to give more than absolutely necessary to the TC's in the settlement talks than they may have thought of doing before Russia invaded Georgia.

[Nikitas]

Miltiades wrote:

"As far as I'm concerned the result of the USA election is a foregone conclusion." I assume you mean that McCain will win by a landslide. Which, knowing the insularity and indifference of the average American to the world outside the borders of the USA makes it likely. Notice how many American entries on ebay, a worldwide medium, state that they ship to the US only. It is a small but telling example of insularity.

McCain a few days ago said he wants to keep China out of the World Trade Organization, WTO. Now think of how many things, from toys to aeroplane spares, used in the USA are Made in China and judge how realistic this position can be. China will always be a major trading partner for all nations, simply because it has 1.2 billion consumers. How can you keep such a nation out of the WTO! The man is a dinoasur! He is risking making the USA not weak, but irrelevant, which is worse.

For us Cypriots there was an instance when McCain showed his true colors, when the marines were arrested in Serbia and Cyprus volunteered to mediate for their release. His response back then was insulting. Someone ought to show him a world map and a calendar.