Viewpoint wrote:If Russia (your buddies) and Turkey were to agree similtaneous recognition of the TRNC South Ossetia and Abkazia do you thin other nations would follow?
VP, the Russian ambassador to Turkey was merely joking. He was asked if now there is a chance that Russia will recognize "TRNC," and his answer -among laughter- was that “if Turkey were (ever) to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, then Russia may also consider recognizing the "TRNC!"” It was an indirect way to say that there is no possibility, likewise there is no possibility for Turkey to go against the will of her US and NATO allies in recognizing Abkhazia and Ossetia.
I feel that Abkhazia has a right to exist and here is why:
Here are some bare-bone facts that have not been mentioned about this conflict.
Abkhazia wasn't created by the Russians. Abkhazia has existed for a very long time. Far longer than the arrival to the Seljuk Turks to Anatolia. The Abkhaz language is not Russian or Georgian. The Abkhaz people are not Slavs or Georgians. And ever since Stalin, the Abkhaz language and cultural rights were repressed:
It was Stalin (an ethnic georgian) who brought Georgian settlers to Abkhazia to dwindle the native population. It was Stalin who banned the Abkhaz language:
Abkhazia's struggle is unique and one must admire the determination of the people of Abkhazia. Please tell me why they have no right not to exist? They have maintained their culture and language. They have reversed the resettlement program that was initiated to make them a minority in their own republic. Many ethnic Georgians (presumably non settlers) currently live in Abkhazia and are not threatened in any way.
Important to ask: Why was President Shakashvili always looking for a military solution?
I personally feel that:
1) Shakashvili miscalculated and miscalculated badly.
2) It was Shakashvili who picked a fight, he shouldn't have.
3) The US and Russia are complicit in the circumstances leading up to this war.
4) Georgia could have had it all if it were more like Finland. It could have joined the EU. It could have also kept the two breakaway regions.
BC Numismatics wrote:Tim, There's a huge world of difference between the legal independence of Kosovo & the illegal occupation of Abkhazia & South Ossetia (which are part of Georgia) & Transdniester (which is part of Moldova) by Russia.
Aidan.
Yes, yes..... One is sponsered by the west while the other wasnt. I sure see the difference.
Sooner or later and after a boached attempt to find a solution the world will draw comparisions especially if Turkey moves away from the EU and closer to Russia.
Viewpoint wrote:If Russia (your buddies) and Turkey were to agree similtaneous recognition of the TRNC South Ossetia and Abkazia do you thin other nations would follow?
VP, the Russian ambassador to Turkey was merely joking. He was asked if now there is a chance that Russia will recognize "TRNC," and his answer -among laughter- was that “if Turkey were (ever) to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, then Russia may also consider recognizing the "TRNC!"” It was an indirect way to say that there is no possibility, likewise there is no possibility for Turkey to go against the will of her US and NATO allies in recognizing Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Kifeas, You'd better hope it was a joke. He said a mutual recognition could be easilly announced if Turkey agreed to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Jocular or not, such comments by the Russian Ambassador Plenipotentary and Extraordinary to Turkey cannot simply be brushed off as a joke. Not at that level. Turkey is more important to Russia than Cyprus, when you think about it...
Viewpoint wrote:If Russia (your buddies) and Turkey were to agree similtaneous recognition of the TRNC South Ossetia and Abkazia do you thin other nations would follow?
VP, the Russian ambassador to Turkey was merely joking. He was asked if now there is a chance that Russia will recognize "TRNC," and his answer -among laughter- was that “if Turkey were (ever) to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, then Russia may also consider recognizing the "TRNC!"” It was an indirect way to say that there is no possibility, likewise there is no possibility for Turkey to go against the will of her US and NATO allies in recognizing Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Kifeas, You'd better hope it was a joke. He said a mutual recognition could be easilly announced if Turkey agreed to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Jocular or not, such comments by the Russian Ambassador Plenipotentary and Extraordinary to Turkey cannot simply be brushed off as a joke. Not at that level. Turkey is more important to Russia than Cyprus, when you think about it...
I suppose you would like Russian recognition of the Cypriot north, Expatkiwi. The trouble is that if Turkey did recognize those breakaway Georgian regions and Russia reciprocated with recognition of the Turkish Cypriot entity, it would open up a much more nastier can of worms in that part of the world. Given the current trend towards energy supplies and economics driving politics, that is something that Russia may be unwilling to upset.
Dean & Utu,
Both Somaliland & Nagorno-Karabakh have more hope of getting their independence recognised than does Abkhazia,South Ossetia,& Transdniester.
Somaliland has a legitimate right to be recognised as a proper country,as it covers the territory of what was the British Somaliland Protectorate.In addition to this,Somaliland also has a right to British Commonwealth membership,as does Ireland & Zimbabwe,but not Cameroon or Mozambique.
BC Numismatics wrote:Dean & Utu, Both Somaliland & Nagorno-Karabakh have more hope of getting their independence recognised than does Abkhazia,South Ossetia,& Transdniester.
Somaliland has a legitimate right to be recognised as a proper country,as it covers the territory of what was the British Somaliland Protectorate.In addition to this,Somaliland also has a right to British Commonwealth membership,as does Ireland & Zimbabwe,but not Cameroon or Mozambique.
Aidan.
Aidan,
Somaliland has a good case for recognition, and yes, it is rather unusual to have Cameroon and Mozambique in the Commonwealth as they were not formerly in the British Empire, but thanks to Russia's recognition, now one cannot say for sure whether Nagorno-Karabakh will be recognized or not. Russia's move added a new degree of uncertainty to the equation.
Viewpoint wrote:If Russia (your buddies) and Turkey were to agree similtaneous recognition of the TRNC South Ossetia and Abkazia do you thin other nations would follow?
VP, the Russian ambassador to Turkey was merely joking. He was asked if now there is a chance that Russia will recognize "TRNC," and his answer -among laughter- was that “if Turkey were (ever) to recognize Abkhazia and Ossetia, then Russia may also consider recognizing the "TRNC!"” It was an indirect way to say that there is no possibility, likewise there is no possibility for Turkey to go against the will of her US and NATO allies in recognizing Abkhazia and Ossetia.
Kifeas, You'd better hope it was a joke. He said a mutual recognition could be easilly announced if Turkey agreed to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Jocular or not, such comments by the Russian Ambassador Plenipotentary and Extraordinary to Turkey cannot simply be brushed off as a joke. Not at that level. Turkey is more important to Russia than Cyprus, when you think about it...
Sorry for bursting up your bubble but, “No” Expatkiwi, I do not hope it was a joke, because it has already been double checked and verified through the Russian embassy in Cyprus and the Russian foreign ministry, that it was a joke IN FACT!
