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[paliometoxo]

talat has actually been criticised by the TC press for being to soft handed so far in these negotiations so i dont know where all this 'no matter what tcs want ' talk is coming from. We will try and get the best deal for our community and you will do the same for yours, what else did you expect to happen?

so whats with turkey president and talat saying in speaches about two states ALL the time.. whats that about?

[turkkan]

[QUOTE]so whats with turkey president and talat saying in speaches about two states ALL the time.. whats that about? [/QUOTES]

Its very natural for positions to harden before negotiations so that when you go to the negotiating table you can negotiate from a supposed stronger frame. How is what their saying any different or any more realistic to your politicians telling you that you will return to kyrenia for the past 35 years when they knew full well that it was not going to happen or when they gave speeches about a bicommunal federation and they were saying one thing in the international arena and another thing to their people at how it would actually work. As if anyone beleived that morphou would not be given back in the event of ANY solution, yet it was publicly said by Erdogan anyway.

[halil]

few munites ago unions were planting peace trees in north .
Talat was there as well .On his speach he said Yeşilırmak gate was not ready to handle that much visitors . İt will be very difficult to control those people , i think he means to check up identities .
also he wants to handle pile gate and yesilırmak gate together .

still for me does not make any sense . They should take list for a once .
commities should inform those people to get ready and give the attendance list at least . or what will happen from one time by passing without control .
People of the Pile puting another pressure on the TRNC govermnent they wants directly travel to north .Things are getting complecated now .

[paliometoxo]

lest hope for the best then, see what happens in these talks between the two leaders what agreements they can come up with.

[Tim Drayton]

few munites ago unions were planting peace trees in north .
Talat was there as well .On his speach he said Yeşilırmak gate was not ready to handle that much visitors . İt will be very difficult to control those people , i think he means to check up identities .
also he wants to handle pile gate and yesilırmak gate together .

still for me does not make any sense . They should take list for a once .
commities should inform those people to get ready and give the attendance list at least . or what will happen from one time by passing without control .
People of the Pile puting another pressure on the TRNC govermnent they wants directly travel to north .Things are getting complecated now .

How many people were going to make the journey from Pyrgos to Agios Mamas?

[DT.]

Oh booo hooo ....how many solutions have you turned down now?

You only have yourselves to blame. I can't believe you still act like it's us with the problem!

You've turned down solutions you'd accept in an instant today, so how is that OUR fault?

TC would you like me to remind you of the 30 years of Denktash (Mr No)?
I for one would not accept the AP which was rejected by us, now or ever.

Fair enough DT, the Annan Plan may of been shit in your opinion, but had the GCs REALLY wanted to achieve a solution then perhaps a much better plan would of gone to referendum...

I agree TC. I consider it a big mistake that the AP wa snot given a fair chance to be negotiated before that crap was given to us for a vote. I doubt whether it would have had a huge improvement on it since Turkey had taken over the negotiations in Burgenstock with its shopping list, but it would have made me feel better to know that the plan given to us was the best possible after EXTENSIVE negotiations.

[Bananiot]

Simitis said that we lost the train of history. Glafkos Klerides said that we would fall into a ravine whose depth we did not know.

These are serious people with huge experience on international and national issues. Yet we listened to the sick nationalists in 2004 who would have voted no even if the plan was miles better because they cannot ever see the Turkish Cypriots as our partners in a new, free Cyprus.

[DT.]

Simitis said that we lost the train of history. Glafkos Klerides said that we would fall into a ravine whose depth we did not know.

These are serious people with huge experience on international and national issues. Yet we listened to the sick nationalists in 2004 who would have voted no even if the plan was miles better because they cannot ever see the Turkish Cypriots as our partners in a new, free Cyprus.

I do wish you'd stop reminding us that you supported this catastrophic plan.

I also hoped you'd respond to a question I've asked many times from you. You've repeatedley said that had we accepted the AP then the Turkish army was prepared for a coup to dishonour the agreement. Had this happened, we would now be one of the 2 statelets of Cyprus floating in the wind with no ROC for legitimacy. Knowingthat Turkey would not have honoured this deal by your own admission why would you still support it?

[Bananiot]

Please direct this question to Glafkos. I am sure the old boy will tell you that we let Turkey off in 2004 and that the "catastrophic" plan is just the excuse for those that buried it for things are now worse off and decisively not better as Papadopoulos promised people had they voted no. That is the main reason he was voted out, because he killed our hopes and left scorched earth behind.

[DT.]

Please direct this question to Glafkos. I am sure the old boy will tell you that we let Turkey off in 2004 and that the "catastrophic" plan is just the excuse for those that buried it for things are now worse off and decisively not better as Papadopoulos promised people had they voted no. That is the main reason he was voted out, because he killed our hopes and left scorched earth behind.

You still won't answer my simple question .

DId you also agree with Glafkos when he was ordering the S300's? Or should I be asking him that as well?