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[alekcen]

my friend bananiot, i see their high level of discussion. The words of ignorant people, fanatics and those who have nothing to argue always attack the person, with slang language, not even making an attempt to discuss. Above all, those guys are supposed to be democratic Greeks.
I will say something simple, just u guys look ur selves in the miror and see how Greeks are u. How much do u really resamble with Greeks? And if ancient Greeks could here u they would have cursed the moment the invented democracy!!!

About the akritas plan, i still dont understand how u guys find it resonable when we already had RoC most of the ministers of makarios goverment wanted Enosis?? Also lets not hide behind our finger, most of the things in the Akritas plan would have defenetly and have provoked the TC , and so their plan was set in action.

[Bananiot]

If the Akritas plan was so innocent, why then did the spiritual fathers of it, set up an "organisation" to go with it? With thousands of people enrolled, armed to the teeth?

Of course, according to the bash democrats of the forum, I am a traitor because I acknowledge the truth but, as I said before, they have had their five years of glory. Now, the tide has turned ...

[Piratis]

Yes my friend. We are democratic Greeks and this is why we want to rule our own island in a democratic way, one person one vote.

We do not accept to be ruled neither by foreigners, nor by some oligarchy/minority brought to our island and imposed over us by some foreign rulers.

The ancient Greeks, alekcen, had pride and decency. They were not defeatists like you. If they were like you they wouldn't fight the Persians who far outnumbered them. And in more recent times they wouldn't fight against the Ottomans in their revolution or against the Italians and Germans during WWII, again nations who far outnumbered them and have far more power.

So a defeatists like you who is willing to kiss the ass of the enemy and capitulate has nothing to do with ancient Greeks. The real Greeks never capitulate. We keep fighting to liberate our own lands from the foreign invadors no matter what the odds are and how much more powerful the enemy is.

If the Akritas plan was so innocent, why then did the spiritual fathers of it, set up an "organisation" to go with it? With thousands of people enrolled, armed to the teeth?

Because we knew that there a high possibility that Turks would again start killing us in their effort to again stop the Cypriot people from doing what we want with our own island. In the past we had many examples like that. In 1821 and with many other of our revolts, or even in 1958 when the Turks collaborated with the British to attack us and oppress our revolution and then impose the 1960 agreements on us.

We didn't prepare an attack. We were preparing a defense knowing that the Turks could attack again if we dared to do what we wanted with our own island. This is crystal clear in the plan itself.

[Nikitas]

"With thousands of people enrolled, armed to the teeth? "

Photos and newsreels of the 1963 conflict show a bunch of untrained people carrying old guns, some with shotguns. Seeing the level of equipment from both sides one could argue that there was a decision to keep the conflict at a low level, at least technically. The same antique rifles were seen in 1974 news broadcasts. It is proof that the GC side never took its own army seriously and never really expected a war at the scale of 1974. The police was much better armed than the National Guard.

[Bananiot]

You are now an official supporter of the Akritas plan and all it stood for, Piratis. You also admit that we could force our will on the numerical minority despite the international agreements that bore our signature. Yopu are one hell of a democrat.

[Piratis]

Democracy means the majority to take the decisions. If that means "forcing their will on the minority" for you, then fine. That is what democracy is all about. Democracy is not a system where the agreement of everybody is needed. Such thing is impossible since there will always be some people that will disagree with just about anything. Democracy is the system where instead of some monarch, some elite oligarchy, or some foreign rulers taking the decisions, who rules are the people via majority rule, and any minorities or foreigners have to respect what a country democratically decides.

What the majority doesn't have the right to do is to violate the human rights of any minority. And union with Greece did not involve the violations of the human rights of anybody. It is simply what the overwhelming majority of Cypriots wanted and what should have been respected, but was not. Even you admitted that Cypriots had this right. Do you want me to search and find that post of yours?

[Bananiot]

Of cource we had the right Piratis but we waived it with our incredible stupidity and now we cannot just say, "ops, we made a mistake". Thus, any attempt to go back in time amounts to flirting catastrophy and by the way, this is treason.

[humanist]

Bananiot

Of cource we had the right Piratis but we waived it with our incredible stupidity and now we cannot just say, "ops, we made a mistake". Thus, any attempt to go back in time amounts to flirting catastrophy and by the way, this is treason.

so what do you propose we do bananiot. I think life is learning form failures and making attempts to create something new. Please explain what we say or do. The fact is we have mad a mistake. We can either stay static as we have for the past 34 years, because neither the GC's or the TC's have benefited from the stale mate.

The reality is we all fucked up and now e gotta try and build something better. Positive discrimination has failed everywhere else and will fail in Cyprus too.

So in keeping with the topic what solution do you suggest we as Cypriots reach?

[alekcen]

The ancient Greeks, alekcen, had pride and decency. They were not defeatists like you. If they were like you they wouldn't fight the Persians who far outnumbered them. And in more recent times they wouldn't fight against the Ottomans in their revolution or against the Italians and Germans during WWII, again nations who far outnumbered them and have far more power

Defeatists??? I would prefer to say realistic my friend, not living constantly with illusions and fairytales and wait for the mighty Grego-Cypriot EMPIRE to raise again so i can re-claim my country.
Also how can somone compare the fight against Nazi - fascist and against slavery with BBF, which has nothing to do with the examples u mentioned.

So a defeatists like you who is willing to kiss the ass of the enemy and capitulate has nothing to do with ancient Greeks. The real Greeks never capitulate. We keep fighting to liberate our own lands from the foreign invadors no matter what the odds are and how much more powerful the enemy is.

Defeatis like me??? Defeatist could also be called the people who fight in 1974 when the nationalist like YOU, who used to support enosis, runned like cowards when the invasion happened, and came to protect limassol and Troodos??? We ve seen nationalist like u in the past, and we ve seen the help of Greece in 1974. We ve seen the nationalist u support that instead of go and fight the enemy, they prefered to go into TC villages and kill women and children.


So in ur opinion i should start preparing for the holy war the GreekCypriot empire will start in the future so we eradicate all the turks and take instabull and ismirn back also, and unifiy cyprus with greece???


Reall Greeks new how to make policy and win with the mind rather than the sword.

[growuptcs]

alekcen

The ancient Greeks, alekcen, had pride and decency. They were not defeatists like you. If they were like you they wouldn't fight the Persians who far outnumbered them. And in more recent times they wouldn't fight against the Ottomans in their revolution or against the Italians and Germans during WWII, again nations who far outnumbered them and have far more power

Defeatists??? I would prefer to say realistic my friend, not living constantly with illusions and fairytales and wait for the mighty Grego-Cypriot EMPIRE to raise again so i can re-claim my country.
Also how can somone compare the fight against Nazi - fascist and against slavery with BBF, which has nothing to do with the examples u mentioned.

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So a defeatists like you who is willing to kiss the ass of the enemy and capitulate has nothing to do with ancient Greeks. The real Greeks never capitulate. We keep fighting to liberate our own lands from the foreign invadors no matter what the odds are and how much more powerful the enemy is.



Defeatis like me??? Defeatist could also be called the people who fight in 1974 when the nationalist like YOU, who used to support enosis, runned like cowards when the invasion happened, and came to protect limassol and Troodos??? We ve seen nationalist like u in the past, and we ve seen the help of Greece in 1974. We ve seen the nationalist u support that instead of go and fight the enemy, they prefered to go into TC villages and kill women and children.


So in ur opinion i should start preparing for the holy war the GreekCypriot empire will start in the future so we eradicate all the turks and take instabull and ismirn back also, and unifiy cyprus with greece???


Reall Greeks new how to make policy and win with the mind rather than the sword.

They still do. How do you think we're getting you to sit down to negotiate, while you never thought that day would come?