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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:07 pm

Bananiot wrote:We could have drugged the Turkish Cypriots into accept enosis, we did not have to exterminate them. Yiorkadjis and Sampson were krypto Turks really and Papadopoulos wanted a four lane road to connect the two Turkish Cypriot villages.

Why did Papadopoulos want to fill a fire engine with petrol? Can someone remind us?


Bananiot you remind me of Maroula the village gossip who has an encyclopedic knowledge of unrelated remarks that she can slot in to fit any argument ...

No reason, no logic, no substance... just passing the time .... :roll:
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:16 pm

Bananiot wrote:We could have drugged the Turkish Cypriots into accept enosis, we did not have to exterminate them. Yiorkadjis and Sampson were krypto Turks really and Papadopoulos wanted a four lane road to connect the two Turkish Cypriot villages.

Why did Papadopoulos want to fill a fire engine with petrol? Can someone remind us?


Re achriste, our problem today cannot be solved, because Papadopoulos threatened the Americans 45 years ago, in order to stop the emerging Turkish invasion; or because today the Turks want and aim only to a solution that will convert you and the rest of us into "Rayiades?" Achriste!!! You are unable to see what the real problems in front of you, are! Troei se o kolos sou, tzie nomisis oti en i pitirida sou pou ftaiei!
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Postby Piratis » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:21 pm

alekcen, we have every right to get rid of any foreign rule and decide the destiny of our own island.

In 1955 the Cypriot people revolted to free our island from foreign rule. This was not the first time we revolted, we have done so many times before since the Greek Revolution started. Here is the first time:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821


The Cypriots, just like the Cretans, the Athenians, the Peloponisians and every other Greek territory under foreign rule had every right to revolt and seek their freedom in a free Greek state. This right was denied to us by the Turks who butchered us by the 1000s whenever we tried to seek our freedom. The British who took over later also denied this right to the Cypriot people, so we revolted again.

The British and the Turks then collaborated in order to oppress our revolution and they imposed on us by force and blackmail the 1960 agreements.

The Akritas plan was simply about restoring the rights of the Cypriot people which have been denied to us by the Turks and the British. It didn't seek to "exterminate" anybody. It only said that if the Turks attacked us (and from our history we knew that this is possible since the Turks always attacked us and tried to butcher us whenever we tried to free ourselves from their rule) then we would defend ourselves.

The Akritas plan was supposed to be a top secret document. It was not written to be publicized. So if the aim was the extermination of TCs then this aim would be clearly written in the plan.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:37 pm

Piratis ... I just read the follow up to your statement about the 1821 summary executions (Council of Europe site) and it was 450 priests and laymen that were massacred by the Turko-Ottomans in 1821 ... :(
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Postby Magnus » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:49 pm

Oracle wrote:Piratis ... I just read the follow up to your statement about the 1821 summary executions (Council of Europe site) and it was 450 priests and laymen that were massacred by the Turko-Ottomans in 1821 ... :(


This wasn't anything out of the ordinary for the Turks, but of course if you ask our Turkish friends they will tell you that the Ottoman Empire did wonders for the Orthodox Church and that the Greek Cypriots and Orthodox Christians wouldn't even be around today if it wasn't for them.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:12 pm

Aleksen, you see how the great "democrats" respond to anything that does not agree with their percieved truth? A real Greek (very few around) would tell you that national interests have nothing to fear from the truth. Barbarians are scared of the truth but they are now obsolete, they have had their five years of glory.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:14 pm

Yiorkadjis was the leader of the "organisation" idiot "O" and Papadopoulos the second in command. The latter also wrote Akritas, so what I said has everything to do with the subject debated. Idiot.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:20 pm

You just love spouting rubbish ... Kifeas and Piratis will kick your hide again and I will wait to see what other village gossip you bounce back with ... :lol:

Xcuse me, I'll get the cocoa on ...
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:48 pm

Piratis wrote:CopperLine, here we are not talking about interpretation of history or any generalities. We are talking about a very specific document and what was written on that document. He lied about the content of the document, plain and simple.

And no, you can not accuse me that I am lying because I never do. Beyond that you can choose to ignore the facts and believe that the Ottomans were the best thing that happened to our world, or whatever else you want. You will not be the first or the last Turk who will choose to ignore the harm that you have caused and you continue causing to many other nations (what Armenian Genocide? What Kurds - maybe you mean Mountain Turks?) instead of admitting your crimes and finally changing the mentality that you carry since the middle ages.



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There you go again. The problem is not that you are lying the problem is that you simply invent words and put them in my mouth. Who said anything about 'the best thing that happened' or 'ignor[ing] the harm ...' Total rubbish.

You will not find such claims as those you falsely attribute to me, because (a) I have never written such nonsense and (b) I do not and never have argued such nonsense.
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Postby michalis5354 » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:54 pm

Good points by Drousiotis. Some confuse criticism with treason . criticism = Democracy for those who dont know what democracy mean. Personally I would like to have seen an objective documentray of that period and not releying on other sources why such a documentary has not been produced yet and everyone is spreading his own propaganda?
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