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[Kikapu]

One sovereignty, one nationality one international representation and mechanisms that will not permit cessation of one or the other state. Is this okay with you Nikitas?

Then try and sell that to the north as a True Federation with True Democracy Bananiot, and see how far you will get.!!

You haven't gotten very far so far Bananiot, even with your TC friends who speak very highly of you on the forum, including VP, Zan, Halil......, therefore it must (should) tell you something. There is a huge difference between a BBF True Federation with True Democracy and a BBF Annan Plan style, which is a Confederation, Undemocratic, Racist, violation of Human Rights as well as infringement on Freedom of Movement.

The only mechanism to avoid cessation from the Union is to have a True Federation and a true Democracy with one man one vote, as well as the two states as being just that, without labels given to them, such as Turkish or Greek states, because over time, with such labels, it will become to be accepted as being ONLY Turkish or Greek, and with a BBF Confederation Annan Plan style that you support as well as some of your TC friends on the forum, there isn't a damn thing anyone will be able to do about it if one state decides to secede. If not voluntarily, definitely by force by blowing few kids in their school to create a Racial Division, as it has been done in the past.

So what do you say Bananiot. Do you want the things you wrote in your above post to become reality, or are you just going to throw your wishes into the air and hope for the best. Once again, why don't you ask some of your TC friends on the forum, to see if they want the same thing as you want, which is a mechanism where states will not be able to secede.

[Nikitas]

From Sabah translated in today"s Politis which is a pro BBF and anti Pap paper:

"Ο τελευταίος άξονας πολιτικής συνδέεται με τις επικείμενες δραστηριότητες έρευνας για κοιτάσματα πετρελαίου νοτιοανατολικά της Κύπρου και τονίζεται πως αν η "ε/κ διοίκηση" προχωρήσει σε υλοποίηση των συμφωνιών, τότε η Τουρκία δεν θα πρέπει να διστάσει, αλλά αντιθέτως θα πρέπει να μεταφέρει τουρκικά πολεμικά στις επίμαχες θαλάσσιες περιοχές. Στο δημοσίευμα υπογραμμίζεται ότι η πετρελαϊκή κρίση αναμένεται να κορυφωθεί τον Οκτώβρη."

The last axis of [Turkish] policy concerns the impending activities for oil exploration to the S.E. of Cyprus. It is stressed that if the "GC administration" proceeds to implement agreements for exploration then Turkey must not hesitate to send naval vessels to the area. In the paper it is stressed that the petroleum crisis is expected to peak in October."

In other words we are facing the doctrine "what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine". And we still think tthat there is a chance of arriving at a fair agreement. Christofias must have a very big hat full of rabbits!

I would love to see the Turkish vessels face off the 6th fleet since some of the companies involved are American.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

What is the "mechanism that will not permit secession" ?

The one time in world history we saw such a mechanism act succesfully was the American civil war. Can you think of other examples where secession was peacefully prevented? Kossovo? Yugoslavia?

Since we are talking about de facto partition in a BBF why not face the truth and plan accordingly? BBF means partition in our case since it grants limited residence and establishment rights in the "other" state. So we might as well clarify the extent of each state so as to prevent the kind of bullshit Turkey is trying to pull in regard to territory.

It is already clear that Turkey expects the world to accept that Cyprus lies on Turkish continental shelf and has none of its own. In effect it wants to surround the island with Turkish territory. This is far more dangerous than partition.

We in fact have a dipsute of the territory of the "new Cyprus" before it is even set up! And it is the Turks that want to diminish this territory illegally. And apparently the TCs agree to this, proving that the interests of the "new" Cyprus for them are secondary to those of Turkey.

What more does it take to wake up!

[humanist]

Nikitas ......... it's anyones guess where this mess will take us all.

[Nikitas]

Andrea,

And to get out of the mess it needs clarity of mind. We are all stuck on this "reunification" trip and we are not heeding the alarm bells. We are going to pay for our stupidity.

If we accept that Cyprus is on Turkish continental shelf then we will be betraying Cyprus in the worst way ever. This dwarfs 1963 and 1974. We will be signing away legal rights which increase the size of Cyprus territory in multiples. So what is better, to gain 300 per cent? Or to sign it away to the enemy in exchange of 7 per cent?

It should be a no brainer but Cypriots are incapable of thinking in terms of anything but fucking land.Oikopeda! But state territory is not Oikopeda.

[boomerang]

From Sabah translated in today"s Politis which is a pro BBF and anti Pap paper:

"Ο τελευταίος άξονας πολιτικής συνδέεται με τις επικείμενες δραστηριότητες έρευνας για κοιτάσματα πετρελαίου νοτιοανατολικά της Κύπρου και τονίζεται πως αν η "ε/κ διοίκηση" προχωρήσει σε υλοποίηση των συμφωνιών, τότε η Τουρκία δεν θα πρέπει να διστάσει, αλλά αντιθέτως θα πρέπει να μεταφέρει τουρκικά πολεμικά στις επίμαχες θαλάσσιες περιοχές. Στο δημοσίευμα υπογραμμίζεται ότι η πετρελαϊκή κρίση αναμένεται να κορυφωθεί τον Οκτώβρη."

The last axis of [Turkish] policy concerns the impending activities for oil exploration to the S.E. of Cyprus. It is stressed that if the "GC administration" proceeds to implement agreements for exploration then Turkey must not hesitate to send naval vessels to the area. In the paper it is stressed that the petroleum crisis is expected to peak in October."

In other words we are facing the doctrine "what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine". And we still think tthat there is a chance of arriving at a fair agreement. Christofias must have a very big hat full of rabbits!

I would love to see the Turkish vessels face off the 6th fleet since some of the companies involved are American.

Peace at Home, Peace in the World

Ataboy would be turning in his grave...coz they have no peace at home and no peace all around them...the funny thing is, the deep state instigates the whole thing...

[Nikitas]

The Turks wanted to turn the sea between Cyprus and Turkey into a Turkish owned and controlled area, and they have succeded. If you count 12 miles fore each side and the continental shelf and EEZ then it effecively has become Turkish territory.

Now they see that the law of the sea, the very law that gives them 12 miles limits in the south, acts in favor of Cyprus extending its EEZ half way to Egypt and they cannot stomach it. In this case the Egyptians have shown more cojones than the rest of the world put together. They are the only ones that told Turkey to bugger off, in words and deeds.

So have the Americans, but so far only in words. Deeds might come in two months time.

[humanist]

yes you are absolutely right mate, the Turks have achieved what they wanted and then you get the TC's who still think it's all about them

[boomerang]

I said it before and I will say it again...Bananiot ffs listen...the only plan "turkey=fascist state" will accept is if Cyprus is delivered to them on a platter...

As donkeytash said before, even if no tcs were on the island, "turkey=fascist state" would have invaded anyway...

[Viewpoint]

One sovereignty, one nationality one international representation and mechanisms that will not permit cessation of one or the other state. Is this okay with you Nikitas?

Then try and sell that to the north as a True Federation with True Democracy Bananiot, and see how far you will get.!!

You haven't gotten very far so far Bananiot, even with your TC friends who speak very highly of you on the forum, including VP, Zan, Halil......, therefore it must (should) tell you something. There is a huge difference between a BBF True Federation with True Democracy and a BBF Annan Plan style, which is a Confederation, Undemocratic, Racist, violation of Human Rights as well as infringement on Freedom of Movement.

The only mechanism to avoid cessation from the Union is to have a True Federation and a true Democracy with one man one vote, as well as the two states as being just that, without labels given to them, such as Turkish or Greek states, because over time, with such labels, it will become to be accepted as being ONLY Turkish or Greek, and with a BBF Confederation Annan Plan style that you support as well as some of your TC friends on the forum, there isn't a damn thing anyone will be able to do about it if one state decides to secede. If not voluntarily, definitely by force by blowing few kids in their school to create a Racial Division, as it has been done in the past.

So what do you say Bananiot. Do you want the things you wrote in your above post to become reality, or are you just going to throw your wishes into the air and hope for the best. Once again, why don't you ask some of your TC friends on the forum, to see if they want the same thing as you want, which is a mechanism where states will not be able to secede.

Bananiot has my support 100% I would happily live in a unitary state with people who think like bananiot but unfortunately they are the minority so thats a non starter. The majority think like Piratis so every safeguard is necessary against this mindset which will make sure we are not left to their mercy.