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[Piratis]

The only thing I am a thread is to your plans of partitioning the island. I might gain "jack shit" because I do not have the power to liberate my country, but you will gain "jack shit" too, because you can not fool us to sign off 1/3rd of our country to you and in return give us some fake labels and empty words.

With the Bananiots you hope to give "jack shit" to us, while at the same time get everything you dreamed about for yourselves. Will not happen. Sorry. You will get jack shit too.

[Piratis]

I do not not know any other other Cypriots that think like Bananiot which is why I was at first so shocked by his views that I couldn't call him anything other than a traitor.

Piratis speaks for the majority as I know them. But personally I would worry that even Piratis is overly generous with his compromises, and if the Turks had any idea of fairness, they should be more than happy with his proposals.

Personally I don't mind if the Turks don't take up Piratis as I would like to see an eventual proper solution, negotiated by the EU where all the Turks are removed and the TCs are no more than any other RoC citizens, with no special favours for assigned TC villages/zones or any out of the ordinary "power" gifts.

Oracle, some TCs and Turks have become so greedy that they see even some very generous proposals as negative because they do not match what they are dreaming about.

If the same proposals were made for the Greek or Kurdish minorities in Turkey the Turks would refuse them outright believing that it is too much for a minority to have all that. But what is too much for all others they consider that it is too little for themselves. That is how greedy they became.

[Bananiot]

What I support is now the majority view among the Greek Cypriots who came to realise the folly of Papadopoulos policy of no solution and drugging the issue to the depth of time. BBF means bizonal and bicommunal federation and this solution has been imposed on us by the tragic mistakes of the past which unfortunately we cannot undo. When the Bananiots at the time (1963 before and after) were calling the mistakes and crimes of our thick headed politicians, the Piratis' were again calling "traitor" at anyone trying to put some sense into thier minds.

Now Piratis thinks that some sort of a compromise is necessary because we cannot free our lands militarily. He has no respect for the other side but makes concessions because of his weakness and on top he self boasts of his patriotism. Of course, when the balance of power changes, he will lead the tanks into Kyrenia and truly liberate Cyprus.

You can never get more pathetic than this because he thinks that the other side is stupid and that we can have the last laugh. We tried this in 1963 but it seems that some people never learn.

[Nikitas]

Is it only me, or do others feel that the choice between partition and BBF is a huge JOKE?

I cannot see any difference. BBF IS partition, only it is legalised with our signature. Statements by Talat and others have made it clear that one of the two states will be TURKISH and will have majority of TCs and Settlers. The Annan plan had a complex provision, limiting the residence of "other" nationality in each state at a maximum of 10 per cent of its own population, so there could be 70 000 TCs in the south and 15 000 GCs in the north. Whatever the terminology we are talking partition here.

Negotiating BBF basically means partition with no foreign army and this is presented as a major step forward.

OK let us go for it, but at the same time ensuring that what is ours is REALLY OURS now and in the future. And the latest rumblings from Turkey about the oil exploration and the continental shelf PROVE that their intentions for the future are NOT genuine.

We are being led down the garden path. We are dumb if we do not realise that with BBF in place a future conflict will be catastrophic.

If we are talking BBF then we must make sure that ALL involved understand and agree to the FENCES. ANd we must negotiate the fences clearly, leaving no doubt and ambiguity for the future.

[Bananiot]

One sovereignty, one nationality one international representation and mechanisms that will not permit cessation of one or the other state. Is this okay with you Nikitas?

[boomerang]

One sovereignty, one nationality one international representation and mechanisms that will not permit cessation of one or the other state. Is this okay with you Nikitas?

Give it a break Bananiot...They just spat in your face mate...

[Bananiot]

So, just imagine the army did this in order to deal a lethal blow to the forthcoming talks. Should we do the favour to the Turkish army and pull out? What do you suggest? Remember, the army did not even like the Annan Plan and were getting ready for a coup, had we said yes too.

[boomerang]

So, just imagine the army did this in order to deal a lethal blow to the forthcoming talks. Should we do the favour to the Turkish army and pull out? What do you suggest? Remember, the army did not even like the Annan Plan and were getting ready for a coup, had we said yes too.

Bananiot...the army rules the fucking roost...when are you gonna wake up man...you just confirmed it by saying the army was getting ready for a coup had we said yes...

Here is a plan by the international community and you say if we said yes there would have been a coup in "turkey=fascist state"...so according to your logic whats to say if we agree with a plan, highly unlikely, the generals will allowed it?...unless of cource they get to govern the whole of Cyprus...

Faflatizis you know that?

PS...Bananiot, all the goodwill you show just came thundering down from the sky...shattered every argument you have...

Established facts...
1...Generals rule the roost
2...TCS unable to even make a simple civil decision...

What we need is a velvet revolution in "turkey=fascist state"...do you see this happening anytime soon?...I don't...

[Piratis]

What I support is now the majority view among the Greek Cypriots who came to realise the folly of Papadopoulos policy of no solution and drugging the issue to the depth of time.

Do you have any proof for this? The Cypriot people rejected the Annan plan which you supported by 76%. So are you now saying that they would support it, or somehting similar?

During the presidential elections the only candidate which supported that the "solution" of the Cyprus problem will be somehting similar to Annan plan received less than 1% of the votes. All the others promised to the Cypriot people that they will respect their democratic decision and they will not bring anything similar to that again.

BBF means bizonal and bicommunal federation and this solution has been imposed on us by the tragic mistakes of the past which unfortunately we cannot undo. When the Bananiots at the time (1963 before and after) were calling the mistakes and crimes of our thick headed politicians, the Piratis' were again calling "traitor" at anyone trying to put some sense into thier minds.

If we had listened to the Bananiots then the whole of Cyprus would still be part of the Ottoman or British empires. You "wise" idiots the only thing you ever suggested is to just be good slaves and obey our masters. Nothing more than this.

Of course the foreign rulers will try to punish their slaves if they try to revolt. This doesn't mean revolting is a mistake, neither it means that we will stop revolting. Sorry Bananiot, but we will never become good obedient slaves. We will keep fighting for what is right and just.

Now Piratis thinks that some sort of a compromise is necessary because we cannot free our lands militarily. He has no respect for the other side but makes concessions because of his weakness and on top he self boasts of his patriotism. Of course, when the balance of power changes, he will lead the tanks into Kyrenia and truly liberate Cyprus.

On the other hand you have no respect for your own people but respect to our foreign oppressors. And apparently, even when if it will be realistically possible to liberate Kerynia and the rest of Cyprus you would oppose this?

You can never get more pathetic than this because he thinks that the other side is stupid and that we can have the last laugh. We tried this in 1963 but it seems that some people never learn.

For as long as we do not sign away our lands we have the chance to have the last laugh, while meanwhile we cause problems to them as well.

Why are you doing your best to help the Turks have the last laugh? We will not let you do it mate.

[Piratis]

One sovereignty, one nationality one international representation and mechanisms that will not permit cessation of one or the other state. Is this okay with you Nikitas?

One sovereignty belonging to whom? To the Cypriot people via their democratically elected leaders? Or to Turkey via their Settlers and their TC pawns?

And just those 3 words are what you are asking for? What about many other essential things:

1) Will north Cyprus, which belongs to us by 82%, be declared "Turkish" or it will be a Cypriot zone that it is administered by TCs and with most GC refugees returning to their lands?

2) How many settlers will stay?

3) Will all the Turkish troops leave, and what are the guarantees for this?

and a ton more issues that have to be resolved.

You aim so low and what you are asking for are just those 3 things that should have been considered obvious and not even negotiated??