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[alekcen]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... &plindex=0



Just watch it.

[Piratis]

And your point with this is?

The Turks started a war against us on 20th of July. In that war they killed 1000s of innocent people, raped under age girls and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Cypriots. In that war the TCs lost about 200 people.

So the Turks start the killings against us and kill 1000s, but you are trying to blame it on GCs because some GCs retaliated and TCs lost 200 people?

Nobody is condoning the killing of innocent people. But using this one sided film is nothing more than Turkish propaganda. The equivalent would be the Nazis making a film about the innocent Germans that died in the air raids against Germany trying to present themselves as the innocent vistims, and forget to mention that it is the Germans who started the war, and that the Nazis killed way more innocent people in the countries they invaded.

[alekcen]

U will see my answer in the other topic. With this i just want u guys just for once say that yes , we did war-crimes too.

Also there are many evidence for war crimes before the war my friend.

[Nikitas]

Alek,

Read Sevgul Uludag on the various massacres of July 1974. The timing is interesting. While the GCs were killing people in Maratha and Sandalaris, TCs at the SAME TIME, were killing people in Afania. They could not have known of the other massacre, and cannot be claimed to be affected by it. So both sides indulged. And the question is why did the Turks not arrest and try anyone for these massacres once they had imposed their will on the island? SImple answer is that they did not give a damn about it. The priority was the conquest and not the people.

[alekcen]

Nikita i read a lot about Sevgul and i had also the chance to meet her. I know about the massicas. And i contemp both!!!

Have u seen our side punishing , or arresting anyone?????? Have u seen our side arresting anyone for Akritas plan?? Have u seen any punishments for the eoka b, or the military coop? ( except sampson)
That was it, we punish one man and thats it?

[Nikitas]

Our side is bound by some agreement, I do not know with who, not to publicise the details leading up to the coup and the coup itself. Same goes for Greece. The parliamentary committee which examined the Cyprus file decided it would be against the national interest to make the file public. And anyone with an ounce of brains realises what that means, that the file contains details of an agreed concession, or in other words double union.

But still, the prosecution of the thugs that massacred people in Maratha could have taken place. That is a black mark against us, no doubt about it. Same goes for the other side. And to make it worse, both sides honor those people as if they were members of the forces that fought honorably.

[alekcen]

Agree with u on this. We honour many of those criminals and many even hold political positions. For me my friend all this are open wounds. Is about time to teach the young-ones the crimes of the past from both sides but not to raise the hatred between the people but to make them understand the suffering and the destruction that were caused and to prevent such actions to be repeated. We may say that we are few and we cant change, but if willing people from both sides discuss all this with the public and give daily fights then we can make a change. By sitting down and saying we cant do anything and if we hear a nationalist talk about all this and we dont argue with him then we ve done nothing.

[Piratis]

U will see my answer in the other topic. With this i just want u guys just for once say that yes , we did war-crimes too.

Also there are many evidence for war crimes before the war my friend.

Of course we did some war crimes too. But all our war crimes where in wars which the Turks started and were nowhere near the scale of the Turkish war crimes against us.

So I ask you again: What is your point?

If you attack me, you brake several of my bones, and in that fight you also brake your little finger, will you then come to blame me for it because your little finger was broken and demand that I should just sit and accept to be beaten even more so you can take your revenge for your little finger?

[alekcen]

If you attack me, you brake several of my bones, and in that fight you also brake your little finger, will you then come to blame me for it because your little finger was broken and demand that I should just sit and accept to be beaten even more so you can take your revenge for your little finger?

Are u so sure that we did all this when we were actually at war?? We accepted our responsibility about breaking the 1960s treaty and just search for it and u will understand. Dont u know about 1967 and kofinou? What about the murders between 1963-67? Was a were taking place from 1960 ??? Cause i dont understand it!

My point is that both sides comitteed atrocities, and we should stop seeing things one-sided. U may argue that i only talk about the crimes we comittee, but i have a reason in doing so, cause u guys never accepted that we ever harmed anyone, or never heard about it. I want to point out our responsibilities for what happened and this is needed in order for us to understand what kind of solution can be achieved.

Just make a small research about what i mentioned above.

And again , i ask u, who is a murderer, one who kills 7 or one who kills 12???? My opinion, is that they are both murderers.

[paliometoxo]

that video was posted ages ago..