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[alekcen]

Just want to set the following question, do you people realise what will be the cost of division, or if the negotiations failed? Have you ever wonder how things will be if the current situation continues?

Maybe, no GC property will be left in the North, also the turkish settlers population will increase dramatically and we wont be able to send anyone away. Also if we are to blame if the negotiations failed ( with brains like the most of the guys in here) the international opinion will change against us, the EU will lift the embargo, TRNC will be upgraded and become more independent, all this will cause many problems in our foreign policy, also our tourism ( which are economy is based) will decrease dramatically. Plus if Turkey joins EU , then the south will open to thousands of immigrants coming from mainland Turkey, so the north will belong to Turkey, and the south will eventually have the same fate.

And all of us guys , we will be somewhere abroad, and we gonna still be fighting, and saying that all turks out of Cyprus, while our whole country will be Turkish, cause we refused to live with the TC, cause we refused to compromise and build a re-united Cyprus for our children to live in peace and when a Cypriot mentality would have been established they would have fought for something better.


Is it time to end the so called policy of "OLA I TIPOTA" ( everything or nothing) , cause history has shown that we get nothing. Thats how the Greeks lost Smirni ( the had it, but the wanted to reach Ankira) also same happened with east Thrace. Also we should remember Alexandria in Egypt, were Greeks there acted like they own the place ( even though the were there for centuries, the refused to compromise with the locals) and they end up loosing everything.

So guys tell me ur opinion, should we wait for " OLA I TIPOTA" , like instabull and Ismirn, should we wait for another 30 years??? Until we are left with nothing. Is the same with makarios and eoka b , they never compromised with the 1960 treaty and RoC and they wanted enosis even though they were independent, so all this lead them to sacrifice half of our country.



So guys, who most of u live abroad without facing the problem, tell me what u want? Decide for the Cypriots who live here?

Am waiting ur answer guys!!

Also to save all of u from the trouble, am stupid , traitor, asshole, idiot, poulimenos, am everything , SO PLEASE if u have something to say, argue and discuss like civilised people, or should i say like Greeks. And if ur Greeks, respect me and my opinion and discuss, at least once do as ur ancient ancestors did.


I bet is hard for u to do so.

[Piratis]

You got it all wrong mate. Our side has mate a ton of compromises from what are our rights as the overwhelming majority and the native people of this island.

The only thing we are not and should not compromise is our basic human rights and democracy because after all what kind of "solution" would it be if it doesn't restore at least those basic rights? It would be a "solution" that would solve what? The problems of the Turks only?

If we accept a Turkish kind of "solution" that is when Turks will be able to compete against us by freely and with no consequences using the land stolen from us, our money and EU money. And that is when the Turkish settlers would be free to roam over the whole Cyprus.

Not only that, but with a Turkish kind of "solution" Turkey would control the whole of Cyprus since their Settlers and the TCs would be able to block every democratic decision the Cypriot people want to make (e.g. veto the entry of Turkey in EU)

If for you we should give all of the above to the Turks just because the Turks promise that would allow some Greek Cypriots to resettle to their homes, then I should remind you what happened to the islands of Imbros and Tenedos:

Here is what the Lausanne Treaty said about the Greek islands of Imbros and Tenedos:

ARTICLE 14.
The islands of Imbros and Tenedos, remaining under Turkish sovereignty, shall enjoy a special administrative organisation composed of local elements and furnishing every guarantee for the native non-Moslem population in so far as concerns local administration and the protection of persons and property. The maintenance of order will be assured therein by a police force recruited from amongst the local population by the local administration above provided for and placed under its orders.

Not only they didn't do what was agreed, but they did the exact opposite by terrorizing the Greeks and forcing them to leave their islands, closing down the Greek school and replacing it with Turkish etc. When the above agreement was signed in Imbros the population was 10.000 Greeks and 100 Turks. Today there are 9000 Turks and less than 300 Greeks.

So get realistic: What was won in war is not given back with negotiations. (unless somehting even bigger is given in return). For as long as the balance of power favors Turkey the Turks will continue to occupy the north part of Cyprus.

During this time our aim should be to maintain the illegality of their occupation and cause as many problems to them as possible. With this tactic at the very least we will not loose more, and our enemy would be harmed as well.

But this tactic also leaves the possibilities for a true solution in the future, since north Cyprus will legally remain part of Republic of Cyprus.

If we accept a Turkish kind of "solution" not only we would officially give up the north part of our country, making it even harder to recover, not only the Turks will be able to continue their occupation without having any consequences, but we would also make our problems worst by losing control of our country and basically be downgraded to a "community".

[Viewpoint]

So Piratis are you saying "OLA I TIPOTA"?

[alekcen]

During this time our aim should be to maintain the illegality of their occupation and cause as many problems to them as possible. With this tactic at the very least we will not loose more, and our enemy would be harmed as well

And for how long should we keep this policy? Do we realise that, the international community will not tolerate the current situation, and will want us to negotiate. If we refuse to do so then TRNC will be upgraded and the illegality of the occupation will seize to exist.
Also i want to say is that what is gain from war is return only with war, so thats what we want, to get involved into a none stopping massica again , spreading hatred and death??

Not only they didn't do what was agreed, but they did the exact opposite by terrorizing the Greeks and forcing them to leave their islands, closing down the Greek school and replacing it with Turkish etc. When the above agreement was signed in Imbros the population was 10.000 Greeks and 100 Turks. Today there are 9000 Turks and less than 300 Greeks

Also let me remind you of what happened in Crete, were a whole turkish minority was eliminated. So they TC want quarenties that the same wont happened, as it is the same for us, the GC that we dont want the same things to happen.

If we accept a Turkish kind of "solution" that is when Turks will be able to compete against us by freely and with no consequences using the land stolen from us, our money and EU money. And that is when the Turkish settlers would be free to roam over the whole

They wont compete us, what do u mean by that? The will be a re-united Cyprus with Cypriots , working for a common Cyprus. Also u should remember that except the GC refugees there are also a lot of TC refugees , of whom we use their properties. Also EU will supprot TRNC if we refuse to negotiate, and we will be blame for everything.
About the settlers, some will stay, but do u prefer 50 000 settlers that the current plans say about, or 500 000 settlers or perhaps a million of them if no solution is achieved????


The solution wont be a Turkish kind, but it will be a Cypriot kind.

[Piratis]

What we want for Cyprus is democracy, freedom and human rights for all Cypriots. These are only the basic things that any human with decency would ask. Anybody that can settle with anything less than his human rights and democracy can move to Turkey and enjoy his life there.

The "trnc" is an illegal pseudo state created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. Nobody is going to recognize such pseudo state no matter how much you hope for this to happen, and not matter how much you help the Turks to achieve this.

I see that you are trying to force the Cypriot people to give up their human rights and democracy by threatening us. Sorry, but we take no threats. If we could be forced into submission then after 4 centuries of Ottoman rule we would have all chosen the easy way and become Turks. We choose to fight for justice and that is what we will continue doing.

If you are not willing to fight for what is just and right, then let the people who know how to fight to do it, and stop helping the Turks with your defeatist mentality.

[Piratis]

The solution wont be a Turkish kind, but it will be a Cypriot kind.

The "Cypriot kind" is the kind that Cypriots want, not some so called "solution" that Cypriots are blackmailed and forced to accept. Such "solution" would be a Turkish "solution", not a Cypriot one.

[humanist]

I still wish to take up the issue of why don't TC's on this forum speak of partition based on 18% - 82% are rthey afraid that with their numbers so low they wont even make the 10%? Is that something the Christofias needs to take into consideration? Should the RoC start discriminating like the TC's do against GC's?

[iceman]

I still wish to take up the issue of why don't TC's on this forum speak of partition based on 18% - 82% are rthey afraid that with their numbers so low they wont even make the 10%? Is that something the Christofias needs to take into consideration? Should the RoC start discriminating like the TC's do against GC's?

If ever there is going to be an official partition,why should we accept anything less than 30% which was our share in 1960 Republic?

[humanist]

you know what iceman .... why don't you put that on the table?

[iceman]

you know what iceman .... why don't you put that on the table?

what makes you think i want a partition?
I said if it came to that,why should we accept any less than what our share was in the republic?