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[humanist]

I made a generalised statement by using the word "you" I was refering to the TC's adminsitration who is your representative.

I have gathered from your past posts that you do not as an individual want partition.

[Oracle]

you know what iceman .... why don't you put that on the table?

what makes you think i want a partition?
I said if it came to that,why should we accept any less than what our share was in the republic?

We do not accept what was forced upon us by the Colonialist rulers when we were fighting for our self-determination.

Since you raised the stakes and showed you only think about yourselves and not Human Rights, Democracy and fairness... we should use this opportunity to resolve all the problems.

Which means zero% of Cyprus for "TCs" but 100% for Cypriots ....

[Piratis]

I still wish to take up the issue of why don't TC's on this forum speak of partition based on 18% - 82% are rthey afraid that with their numbers so low they wont even make the 10%? Is that something the Christofias needs to take into consideration? Should the RoC start discriminating like the TC's do against GC's?

If ever there is going to be an official partition,why should we accept anything less than 30% which was our share in 1960 Republic?

And where in the 1960 agreements you had 30% share of the land??

The 1960 agreements are about a unitary state lead by Greek Cypriots and 0% of the island was given to the TCs to rule by themselves since in fact the whole island is made up by a Greek Cypriot majority.

[Kifeas]

Just want to set the following question, do you people realise what will be the cost of division, or if the negotiations failed? Have you ever wonder how things will be if the current situation continues?

Maybe, no GC property will be left in the North, also the turkish settlers population will increase dramatically and we wont be able to send anyone away. Also if we are to blame if the negotiations failed ( with brains like the most of the guys in here) the international opinion will change against us, the EU will lift the embargo, TRNC will be upgraded and become more independent, all this will cause many problems in our foreign policy, also our tourism ( which are economy is based) will decrease dramatically. Plus if Turkey joins EU , then the south will open to thousands of immigrants coming from mainland Turkey, so the north will belong to Turkey, and the south will eventually have the same fate.

And all of us guys , we will be somewhere abroad, and we gonna still be fighting, and saying that all turks out of Cyprus, while our whole country will be Turkish, cause we refused to live with the TC, cause we refused to compromise and build a re-united Cyprus for our children to live in peace and when a Cypriot mentality would have been established they would have fought for something better.


Is it time to end the so called policy of "OLA I TIPOTA" ( everything or nothing) , cause history has shown that we get nothing. Thats how the Greeks lost Smirni ( the had it, but the wanted to reach Ankira) also same happened with east Thrace. Also we should remember Alexandria in Egypt, were Greeks there acted like they own the place ( even though the were there for centuries, the refused to compromise with the locals) and they end up loosing everything.

So guys tell me ur opinion, should we wait for " OLA I TIPOTA" , like instabull and Ismirn, should we wait for another 30 years??? Until we are left with nothing. Is the same with makarios and eoka b , they never compromised with the 1960 treaty and RoC and they wanted enosis even though they were independent, so all this lead them to sacrifice half of our country.



So guys, who most of u live abroad without facing the problem, tell me what u want? Decide for the Cypriots who live here?

Am waiting ur answer guys!!

Also to save all of u from the trouble, am stupid , traitor, asshole, idiot, poulimenos, am everything , SO PLEASE if u have something to say, argue and discuss like civilised people, or should i say like Greeks. And if ur Greeks, respect me and my opinion and discuss, at least once do as ur ancient ancestors did.


I bet is hard for u to do so.

Alekcen, I bet that with all these calamities that you have listed above, waiting to befall on us, you must be shivering from fear and your pants will be full of your own pee and shit. Let me tell you a small secret though. Even if everything of what you have mentioned above is 100% true (and I do not agree they are,) you never expose them to your opponent, you never make them the banner of your arguments, struggle or propaganda, and you never go to negotiate on their basis; simply because in such a case you show that you are negotiating from a weak position. If you are going to negotiate from a weak position, chances are your counterpart will be more intransigent and uncompromising, and will want to impose his will on you, simply because he knows (you already told him so by yourself) that you are weak, desperate and fearful. This is true for this and any other type of negotiation in life, be it business, political or social. That much about your stupidity and lack of broadmindedness!

[Kifeas]

Also to save all of u from the trouble, am stupid , traitor, asshole, idiot, poulimenos, am everything , SO PLEASE if u have something to say, argue and discuss like civilised people, or should i say like Greeks. And if ur Greeks, respect me and my opinion and discuss, at least once do as ur ancient ancestors did.

Alekcen, the Greeks respect only those that first and above all do respect themselves! The rest they only feel pity about them! When somebody is desperately going around with his pants lowered down his knees, as I have already explained to you in the above post, he certainly does not show that he has the slightest respect for himself!

[iceman]

I still wish to take up the issue of why don't TC's on this forum speak of partition based on 18% - 82% are rthey afraid that with their numbers so low they wont even make the 10%? Is that something the Christofias needs to take into consideration? Should the RoC start discriminating like the TC's do against GC's?

If ever there is going to be an official partition,why should we accept anything less than 30% which was our share in 1960 Republic?

And where in the 1960 agreements you had 30% share of the land??

The 1960 agreements are about a unitary state lead by Greek Cypriots and 0% of the island was given to the TCs to rule by themselves since in fact the whole island is made up by a Greek Cypriot majority.

I agree the Republic of Cyprus was supposed to be a unitary state proportionally governed by the two communities which founded it.
Show me where it said GC's would control it %100 and rule their TC compatriots?
You did this from 1963 to 1974 and you still desire to do it in a future solution.

[Kifeas]

I still wish to take up the issue of why don't TC's on this forum speak of partition based on 18% - 82% are rthey afraid that with their numbers so low they wont even make the 10%? Is that something the Christofias needs to take into consideration? Should the RoC start discriminating like the TC's do against GC's?

If ever there is going to be an official partition,why should we accept anything less than 30% which was our share in 1960 Republic?

And where in the 1960 agreements you had 30% share of the land??

The 1960 agreements are about a unitary state lead by Greek Cypriots and 0% of the island was given to the TCs to rule by themselves since in fact the whole island is made up by a Greek Cypriot majority.

Piratis, the 1960 agreements were indeed for a unitary state, and it is true that no community had the right to any separate territory of Cyprus; however, the 1960 agreements did not provide for the GCs to "lead" and the TCs to "follow." Such a provision is absurd, it does not exist in the 1960 constitution, neither does it exist in any other constitution of any western democratic state. No need to resort to extremist, unfounded and even provocative claims and ideas.

[Kifeas]

I still wish to take up the issue of why don't TC's on this forum speak of partition based on 18% - 82% are rthey afraid that with their numbers so low they wont even make the 10%? Is that something the Christofias needs to take into consideration? Should the RoC start discriminating like the TC's do against GC's?

If ever there is going to be an official partition,why should we accept anything less than 30% which was our share in 1960 Republic?

Iceman, actually we owe to return to you some land, from the excessive one we now illegitimately occupy, because your share is 40%, as it was agreed in the police and the army forces of Cyprus. Hold on, actually you are entitled up to 50%, because you had one of the two presidential positions. Oh "no," I nearly forgot it that you are actually entitled 100% of Cyprus, due to the fact that your “father,” Mustafa Kemal, discovered that “one Turk equals the whole world!”

[alekcen]

Alekcen, I bet that with all these calamities that you have listed above, waiting to befall on us, you must be shivering from fear and your pants will be full of your own pee and shit. Let me tell you a small secret though. Even if everything of what you have mentioned above is 100% true (and I do not agree they are,) you never expose them to your opponent, you never make them the banner of your arguments, struggle or propaganda, and you never go to negotiate on their basis; simply because in such a case you show that you are negotiating from a weak position. If you are going to negotiate from a weak position, chances are your counterpart will be more intransigent and uncompromising, and will want to impose his will on you, simply because he knows (you already told him so by yourself) that you are weak, desperate and fearful. This is true for this and any other type of negotiation in life, be it business, political or social. That much about your stupidity and lack of broadmindedness

Allow me to return the accusations. What surprise me is that what i ve said is not known by all serious politicians ( by ur saying). I assure u that all these is known to most of the politicians, and our government, as well as it is known by TC and Turkey. Also if u had some common sence to understand what am talking about , that if we are to blame again for failure of negotiations then all this will happen.
Also i havent seen any arguments against my positions, only implying that am a coward.This the usual tactic if people like u who have nothing to argue and only use football slogans.

Is about time to stop hiding behind our finger and recognize that the opposite side is not damn, and we should stop acting like all this are a state secret.
All this are well known to everyone with common sense, oops but sorry common sense is something alien to u.


Also ancient Greeks new the word democracy and tolerate any opinion, but i understand that u have nothing common with the ancient Greeks or the ability to discuss.

What we want for Cyprus is democracy, freedom and human rights for all Cypriots. These are only the basic things that any human with decency would ask. Anybody that can settle with anything less than his human rights and democracy can move to Turkey and enjoy his life there.

The "trnc" is an illegal pseudo state created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. Nobody is going to recognize such pseudo state no matter how much you hope for this to happen, and not matter how much you help the Turks to achieve this.

I see that you are trying to force the Cypriot people to give up their human rights and democracy by threatening us. Sorry, but we take no threats. If we could be forced into submission then after 4 centuries of Ottoman rule we would have all chosen the easy way and become Turks. We choose to fight for justice and that is what we will continue doing.

If you are not willing to fight for what is just and right, then let the people who know how to fight to do it, and stop helping the Turks with your defeatist mentality.

When ur talking about human rights and democracy are u referring only about GC, dont u think that TC also have rights and that Cyprus is also their country???
Also am not helping them to recognize TRNC, am fighting for the reunification of my country and u accuse me to be a traitor. Am the traitor cause i dont want to wait a thousand years for the balance of forces to change and be able to live in a united Cyprus???

Perhaps the Cyprus u want doesnt include the TC, thats why u are willing to wait a thousand years so we become again the mighty Greek empire and exterminate all our enemies?? I have to admit that a very possible scenario, for a 5 year-old boy or a nationalist teenager.

If u have arguments set them down, if u dont stop using slogans and accusing me of being a traitor, i already said am traitor, stupid, idiot, poulimenos, just to save u from the trouble . But as i can see u can do anything better than that.


A solution, will not convert u into a Turk, it will just make u more Cypriot, but i think is that what ur afraid to become, u have a complex of Hellenism and ur afraid to accept ur Cypriot nature. Am willing to fight for re-unification, but as i said before u will wait a thousand years just to make the whole island Greek. Let me ask u a personal question, how u u can achieve that , by war???? Thats what u want?

[Nikitas]

70-30 was an abritrary ration imposed on the RoC regarding CIVIL SERVICE jobs, and not territory. It was the root cause of the 1963 problems. During the British era there was no such ratio, imposing it meant that in many cases GC civils servants HIRED BY THE BRITISH would have to be dismissed. A rough solution was found in the creation of a secondary police force to provide jobs for TCs and fulfill this arbitrary ratio.

Insisting on such disproportionate advantages is setting the scene for a repeat of the 1963 problems.

If 18 per cent of the population, representing ONE of the many communities, then what does the 82 per cent comprising several communities deserve? Apply the basic arithhmetic formula of the 3 factors and tell us. The result is that we have to grow the island approximately by half, a propostion manifestly irrational, as irrational as the original 70-30 ratio.