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[halil]

you don't give shit .... don't give

but you do give credit to others to say

''Touching upon the recent incident in the mixed village of Pile where properties of Turkish Cypriots were vandalized, Democrat Party Leader said that such incidents carried the risk of spiraling out of control in the absence of Turkey’s effective guarantee and right of intervention.''

And these were all your own thoughts or did you just copy / paste

No Richard, it is not his own thoughts, but they might as well have been! After all, it was precisely for this reason that those done it, done it for! You see, people like Halil never bother to find out who did it, and whether it was in fact Turks or TCs that did it, in order to justify the above thoughts of Halil regarding the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus. As if the Ergenekon case has never seen the lights of publicity, for him to discover in what shit-hole him and the rest of the TCs are seating inside.

I did realise that Kifeas
I was just trying to find out if Halil actually had an independent view of his own on any subject or was only allowed by his employers to publish their views

RichardB,
to talk from UK very easy . to blame others or find excuses also very easy . you asking me if i have independent views of course i have .

as i said at above for doing this only helps for those people to talk and i gave sample .

RichardB i don't see this incident as a basic tread .it is well planned and both sides muhtars are complaing since march 10 series incident happened in their village and they are not happy with it and they are asking why multi national security forces can not stop these kind of the incidence .As a individual i am beliving same way as muhtars are complaining .we have no rights to show if there is a problem that everything is perfect .we must find them who are they and why there doing it ? then those people will be in safe .No one has rights to spoils others life .

[Kifeas]

It is easy to find excuses . once more have look what the village Muhtars said yesterday .

The two mukhtars said that although Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot relations have been good, since March this year 10 serious incidents have broken out in the village.

I am not after the anything as you are saying about me .

first of all Kikapu in Pile there was no Turkish troops or Greek troops.

Troops of both sides are stationed at hills of the village .They are far away from the places we are talking .When you come to Cyprus next time go and see the position of the place .

both mukhtars are complaining since march 10 serious incidents happened and all these are happened front of the multi national controlled place .... why still they didn't find them to bring front of the justice .

who are they ? why they are doing this ?

If we ignore these things tomorrow they can do more .

Halil, what cries "miaou ...miaou" on the roof, is certainly not an elephant! The perpetrators and the instigators of these and other incidents in Pila village, are Turks and you the TCs, because only you and them have an interest and a motive in "proving" that the continuation of the presence of Turkish troops in Cyprus, even after a solution, and the maintenance of Turkish intervention "rights," is an "essential" requirement of the settlement. This is not to say that there are no GC nationalists who are capable to attempt something against TCs, but why would they choose to go to Pyla for something like this, if there are so many thousands of TCs crossing south every day. They can do so much more easily, in Orphanides Supermarket, in the Nicosia hospital or any other place in Nicosia, where hundreds of TC registered cars make their appearance on a daily basis. Why Pyla?

Pyla is a place where TCs and GCs live side by side -in fact almost mixed together. Pyla is also a place where no Turkish troops exist, in order to supposedly "protect" the Turkish Cypriots living together with Greek Cypriots. Who has an interest, and in fact makes constant claims that the two communities cannot live together? Your TC elected diachronic leadership does! Who has an interest, and in fact claims that the TCs can only live together with GCs if there are Turkish troops present, with the right to intervene and protect the "harmless" TCs from the "evil" GC majority? Your TC leadership does, and Turkey! Who has an interest in "showing" that in Pila, because there are no Turkish troops present, the GCs are "attacking" the TCs and "destroying" their properties? Your TC elected leadership does, because the presence of Turkish troops and Turkish "guarantees," is a demand placed in negotiations by your side, alone!

I hope you now understand that what makes "miaou ...miaou" on the roof, is not an elephant that climbed up there in order to imitate a cat, but that in fact it is a cat that does so!

[RichardB]

you don't give shit .... don't give

but you do give credit to others to say

''Touching upon the recent incident in the mixed village of Pile where properties of Turkish Cypriots were vandalized, Democrat Party Leader said that such incidents carried the risk of spiraling out of control in the absence of Turkey’s effective guarantee and right of intervention.''

And these were all your own thoughts or did you just copy / paste

No Richard, it is not his own thoughts, but they might as well have been! After all, it was precisely for this reason that those done it, done it for! You see, people like Halil never bother to find out who did it, and whether it was in fact Turks or TCs that did it, in order to justify the above thoughts of Halil regarding the presence of the Turkish army in Cyprus. As if the Ergenekon case has never seen the lights of publicity, for him to discover in what shit-hole him and the rest of the TCs are seating inside.

I did realise that Kifeas
I was just trying to find out if Halil actually had an independent view of his own on any subject or was only allowed by his employers to publish their views

RichardB,
to talk from UK very easy . to blame others or find excuses also very easy . you asking me if i have independent views of course i have .

as i said at above for doing this only helps for those people to talk and i gave sample .

RichardB i don't see this incident as a basic tread .it is well planned and both sides muhtars are complaing since march 10 series incident happened in their village and they are not happy with it and they are asking why multi national security forces can not stop these kind of the incidence .As a individual i am beliving same way as muhtars are complaining .we have no rights to show if there is a problem that everything is perfect .we must find them who are they and why there doing it ? then those people will be in safe .No one has rights to spoils others life .

halil

Thankyou for writing your own views on this situation

I am sorry if you were offended by my comments

FYI I have recently returned from Cyprus ( I dont always publish on public forums my whereabouts)

Why do you insist on posting the Bayrak view when apparently you have your own views which read very well.

This situation in my mind has been blown out of all proportion

It is vandalism and everyone I'm sure on forum will condemn this.

But why are the GCs getting the blame for it ???

Vandalism happens everywhere and it seems now to have spread to Pyla

Why on earth have ministers got involved in what should be a Local police investigation???

[michalis5354]

Maybe there are extremist who want to keep the statues and they are against the new process. They have profited after the invasion . Someone told me today that in Nicosia there were such messages and nationalistic messages everywhere in a Parking Place in Ledra Street specifically. i hope these extremsit are punished soon as in any civilised country . The government also need to be clear and strict.

[Kifeas]

Maybe there are extremist who want to keep the statues and they are against the new process. They have profited after the invasion . Someone told me today that in Nicosia there were such messages and nationalistic messages everywhere. i hope these extremsit are punished soon as in any civilised country . The government also need to be clear and strict.

You mean GC extremists. Then, Michalis, you need to explain to me why would they choose Pyla, and not do so in Lefkosia, Larnaka, Lemessos, or any other part of Cyprus where they could easily detect TCs and act more freely!

[michalis5354]

You mean GC extremists. Then, Michalis, you need to explain to me why would they choose Pyla, and not do so in Lefkosia, Larnaka, Lemessos, or any other part of Cyprus where they could easily detect TCs and act more freely!

Extremist are everywhere. In a Parking Place in Ledras there were nationlistic symbols and many other messages. Why do you think this happen now and not 2 months ago? I admit there were also messages in the past but not to this extent. I should wait the police of course to investigate the case .

[Bananiot]

May be it was a joint effort, the extremists of both communities working hand in hand to avert solution.

[Oracle]

But what about those illegal Turkish Mainlanders / Settlers that have taken to living in Pyla by stealth ... WHY?

Who put them there?

What are they doing there?

Why is no one pointing the finger at those illegal settlers, but prefer to blame legitimate GCs?

[halil]

Maybe there are extremist who want to keep the statues and they are against the new process. They have profited after the invasion . Someone told me today that in Nicosia there were such messages and nationalistic messages everywhere. i hope these extremsit are punished soon as in any civilised country . The government also need to be clear and strict.

You mean GC extremists. Then, Michalis, you need to explain to me why would they choose Pyla, and not do so in Lefkosia, Larnaka, Lemessos, or any other part of Cyprus where they could easily detect TCs and act more freely!

Kifeas ,
pls don't play with words . These kind of the complains are also coming from Nicosia and from other places too .
many times TC's plated cars are attacked . we must not ignore these things .Like you or others pointed out how we did have troubles at past from putting bombs or smashing properties . we must be careful and we must find and punish them ,otherwise we will turn back again for beginning .

It is not the excuse . you must gain the trust of the TC's .You are not helping at all .
what you do is just find excuse . I never said they were GC's . They might be TC's as well but we must find and punished them .
I will always bring this incidents to public knowledge .

RichardB ,
they are not bayrak views , this is always on the TC's public press. every tv channel u tune u can see and hear it . If it wasn't that much important for our future TRNC president , PM ,FM , İnterior minister , opposition parties will not visit the village and they warned the villagers not to get in provacations , stay calm we are after it and this time we will follow it they said to villagers .

[Kifeas]

May be it was a joint effort, the extremists of both communities working hand in hand to avert solution.

Bananiot, among the GC society, there are two types of extremists. There are those seating on the one extreme end, that believe the solution must come only if the TCs accept a minority status in a unified Cyprus (i ola i tipota;) and there are those seating on the other extreme end, that believe we must give out everything the Turks want from us, no matter how illegitimate it is, for the sake of having a solution ("andras na ne, tsias en tze ksilenenos!") You belong to the second group of extremists! You may as well have done the vandalism in Pila, in order to “prove” to the rest of us how “rightful” the TCs are, to demand Turkey’s military presence and intervention “rights” in Cyprus, a demand you seem more than willing to accommodate!