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[Bananiot]

I am so glad you think Piratis is the most sensible poster. I wouldn't have it any different. In fact I would jump of the tallest hill had you ever said that I was sensible.

Piratis comes out clean every now and again. He tells us that it is okay with the present status but the poor man cannot see that the present status will not remain like it is for ever. In fact, most people recognise that the passage of time will eventually produce the worst for Cyprus and that the present status will survive only for a while little.

Hence, the real traitors (to use the cretin term Piratis is so fond of) are those that want the present situation to remain as the second best solution.

[Kikapu]

Bananiot,

Can you please tell me which part of this Poll/Survey posted by Halil few days ago gives you confidence that the north is looking for a Fair and Just solution. I personally reject this Poll/Survey as being totally unreliable and the results manipulated, but lets leave that aside for the moment, and tell us what this Poll/Survey tells you, if anything.

The percentage of people who don't belive a solution is possible has risen to 71% of the 875 people who partipicated in survey,67 % say they will vote ''NO'' if a new referandum is held on a solution.

62 % would like a solution in Cyprus based on completly two seperate states .If referandum of 2004 were repeated ,the percentage of people who would reject a solution stands 67% while only 33% who would choose to vote all. Those who support the recognition of the TRNC as alternative solution stand as 84% .

Asked which country they trusted the most 80.6% of partipants chose Turkey.
only 6.7 % trust ROC .
44.5% trust UN.
40.2 % trust EU.
On wheter North Cyprus should become a member of EU 37 % said they support EU.
membership after Turkey joined 26%
after a solution 6%

According to the survey ,the final solution packet to Cyprus problem should include Turkey's effective guarentee followed by political equallity and application of EU laws to both communities.

while 71.2 % support Turkey's right to unilaterally intervene in Cyprus.
61% supported the signing of a defense and cooperation pact with Turkey without changing the treaty of quarantees.

According to the results of survey which were annouced 365 of 875 participants see the price hikes and inflation as the most immediately important problems.
The TRNC status came seconed in importance for 27.3% and increase in unemployment came third 26.3%

72% of the participant view the government unsuccesful while 22 % consider it to be succesfull.

[Piratis]

I am so glad you think Piratis is the most sensible poster. I wouldn't have it any different. In fact I would jump of the tallest hill had you ever said that I was sensible.

Piratis comes out clean every now and again. He tells us that it is okay with the present status but the poor man cannot see that the present status will not remain like it is for ever. In fact, most people recognise that the passage of time will eventually produce the worst for Cyprus and that the present status will survive only for a while little.

Hence, the real traitors (to use the cretin term Piratis is so fond of) are those that want the present situation to remain as the second best solution.

Bananiot, I never said the current status is "ok". You are dreaming again.

What I say is clear: That a partition which is illegal and causes problems not only to us but to the Turkish invadors as well, and where we can at least democratically control 63% of our country, is better than the partition that you promote which would officially give to the Turks the north part of our country, will solve the problems of TCs and Turkey but not ours, and would give control to the Turks over our whole island.

[michalis5354]

Shouldnet we compare the Zurich agreements as they were signed in 1960 and not as they are at the moment.

[alekcen]

Am curious, tell me piratis, what kind of solution do you want? And how can u achieve it? Take into consideration the international interest, the power of Turkey, the interests of EU, USA, and just wonder why has nothing ( of the things that most of the nationalist support, like European solution, all turks out of cyprus even TC , etc) happened, have that in mind and just answer what kind of solution u expect and how u gonna achieve it??

[Piratis]

Am curious, tell me piratis, what kind of solution do you want? And how can u achieve it? Take into consideration the international interest, the power of Turkey, the interests of EU, USA, and just wonder why has nothing ( of the things that most of the nationalist support, like European solution, all turks out of cyprus even TC , etc) happened, have that in mind and just answer what kind of solution u expect and how u gonna achieve it??

The solution that I want is one that will actually solve at least most of the problems of the Cypriot people. Some agreement that doesn't actually solve the problems can not be called a "solution".

For as long as the balance of power favors Turkey I do not expect any solution. Solution is simply not an option today.

What I know is how not to make our problem worst. Officially giving to the Turks 1/3rd of our country and also giving to them the control of our whole island is in fact worst than what we have today.

Also I know what we should do in order to make our enemy to at least suffer some consequences due to their crimes against us. So some partial justice is served in this way.

[alekcen]

First of all, u wont be giving the 1/3 of ur country to Turkey, but it will be a part of federal state which will be shared with the TC who have the same right to be in Cyprus as most of us.

Also tell me how u will make Turkey suffer?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis is the most sensible poster I have ever had the pleasure to read.

Bananiot is like a rubber ball, bouncing back impervious to reasoned logic, unfettered by his lack of logical argument.

Only because you support division and continuation of the current status quo, Bananiots approach would bring a unitary state where TCs would trust the bananiots with their future but unfortunately people like you and Piratis are the majority whom we can never trust and therefore can only agree to a BBF with political equality and plenty of safe to guarantee you do not renege as was our past experience.

[alekcen]

Only because you support division and continuation of the current status quo, Bananiots approach would bring a unitary state where TCs would trust the bananiots with their future but unfortunately people like you and Piratis are the majority whom we can never trust and therefore can only agree to a BBF with political equality and plenty of safe to guarantee you do not renege as was our past experience

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I have to agree with you Viewpoint, i think the real problem is people ignorance of what really happened . They think that all started a sunny summer morning when the bad Turks ( 20 of July) invaded and disturbed the peaceful life's of the GC who have never hurt a TC or try enosis.

I think a solution based on BBF and on political equality will prevent nationalist repeat all this.

[Piratis]

First of all, u wont be giving the 1/3 of ur country to Turkey, but it will be a part of federal state which will be shared with the TC who have the same right to be in Cyprus as most of us.

Also tell me how u will make Turkey suffer?

If it is part of a true federal state, then no problem. But what the Turks want, and what the Annan plan was, was nothing like a federation. Basically the Turks had absolute control over the north part of Cyprus, that would be even officially named as "Turkish". In a true federation citizens are free to move in any state they want, no state is given to a particular ethnic group, and the central goverment which is elected democratically by the population as a whole has real authority over the states.

Turkey suffers consequences from their occupation of Cyprus. We caused and we can cause even more problems to them in EU and elsewhere. Why do you think they are trying to close the problem as fast as possible?